Posted by Sandra Christian on 8/17/09 6:35pm
Msg #300443

Temporary Guardianship of a Minor

Does anyone know who's signature needs to be notarized? The notary language is at the bottom after the temporary guardianship signature. Next question. If it is the temp guardian is the signature being notarized, and my husband is named, for our granddaughter, can I notarize his signature?

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/17/09 6:38pm
Msg #300444

Read the notary cert....if you're still unsure, I'd check with the Probate Court or whatever court has jurisdiction to find out the proper way to have this done. As for you notarizing it, although CA allows it, IMPO I wouldn't...you most definitely have an interest in this matter.

Reply by Sandra Christian on 8/17/09 6:45pm
Msg #300445

It's not a court thing. My granddaughter is visiting and in order to have her belly button pierced, we have to be legal guardians. Her mom has approved it but they won't touch her unless we are legal guardians. There is no money involved so I'm not sure why I couldn't notarize it. The verbiage doesn't say who just (name of principal).

Reply by John Schenk on 8/17/09 7:29pm
Msg #300451

As a grandparent I'd just say "You don't need your bellybutton pierced while you're with me," and then let her do it when she's back with her mom. Nothing to notarize...problem solved. LOL

JJ

Reply by jba/fl on 8/17/09 8:18pm
Msg #300461

Well John, since you and I seem to be on the same page

more than not, I find your solution to be very user-friendly. I hate that my granddaughter got piercings, but I never authorized any of them, and she knows my distaste. Funny thing: now she's pregnant with my great-granddaughter, and her views are shifting more and more to my conservative beliefs. Interesting to observe, esp. when I also get to hear her sound more and more like me. I love it. I also love that I never had any part in her self-mutilations.

I'm in full agreement with John's assessment here. Practical, pragmatic, (and I need another few P's to bring it to my famous 5 or 6 P's).....

Reply by Philip Johnson on 8/17/09 8:30pm
Msg #300462

pugnacious, puisance, puritanical, puzzled and pensive

Having said that my grandparents wouldn't let me shoot Pop's world war II war trophy(MP40) till I was 16. I pretty much know that they would have never allowed any piercing on their watch. Oh those were the days.

Reply by Claudine Osborne on 8/17/09 9:21pm
Msg #300470

Re: pugnacious, puisance, puritanical, puzzled and pensive

Curious..Why would grandparents have to jump through hoops to help a grandaughter get a piercing? Why can't she just wait and have her parents take care of this?

We prohibited our kids from tattoos and piercings until age 18! They respected rules and waited. Only 1 piercing among the 3 and each have a tattoo! These days parents and yes grandparents give in way too easy!!

My rant..

Reply by wisconsin on 8/17/09 9:21pm
Msg #300471

I'm with John and Julianna on this one!! Just say No!!! n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 8/17/09 9:33pm
Msg #300474

Re: I'm with John and Julianna on this one!! Just say No!!!

Thanks - and just one more thing to add: There is nothing wrong with being an "old fogey" "stuck in the former century". It adds distinction to the other distinctive characteristics of those of us who are aging gracefully (and don't give in).

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Thanks for the other P's too! I was watching a wonderful tv show and the commercial was not long enough.

Reply by John Schenk on 8/17/09 9:29pm
Msg #300473

Re: Well John, since you and I seem to be on the same page

In the scheme of all that's happening today with young people, I guess I'd definitely go to approve a piercing rather than a tattoo...and many men and women on here may be tatooed from head to toe. Personally, I don't like tattoos, and DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY would not do such a thing as described in this thread to get a tattoo (not a piercing) for a grandchild. If I had custody of that grandchild, that wouldn't happen...PERIOD. Don't know if this child is visiting Granny and PaPa during the summer and this thing just came up while she was there. Mom's approved it, and the child is going to get it done, but as Grandpa...I'd say NO on my watch. She can do whatever she wants to do when she gets home, or if the grandparents are taking care of the child, as obviously there is no formal order giving them any rights at this point, but they may still be taking care of the child, which is not clear, I'd still say NO.

Tattoos are the thing nowadays. They start with piercings and then come the tattoos. I personally wouldn't aid any of that crap. Once they are old enough to make that decision, you don't have any say in it anyway and they will do whatever they wish to do, as the law commands.

The thread is about piercings, but the Carnivals used to come to town, and they had piercing freaks and tattoo freaks that were one of the things you paid to see, and the giant and the world's smallest horse. We paid to see those freaks! Things have changed, but have you seen any tattoo freaks, or piercing freaks, at anything in years and years? It's still freaky, but more accepted nowadays. Rather than being freakish, it's becoming the norm, and that freaks me out!

I think that once kids come of age, they have the right to make their own choices. Until they get there, I don't think parent/grandparents should assist them in making a choice they aren't legally ready to make on their own, at least in this kind of situation.

Just my 2 cents, from an old geezer. Hang in there jba/fl. You're not alone in your views.

JJ

Reply by BEEJ on 8/17/09 9:41pm
Msg #300478

Say NO, and have the under age grandchild wait . .

until she returns home to mutilate or pierce herself. I would not want this piercing or tattoo as a constant reminder of my consent of saying YES. Children will be children and sometimes all that it takes is time. It's okay to say NO.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/17/09 9:47pm
Msg #300481

Anyone notice how quiet I got???

The reason for the guardianship totally blew me away...I was dumbfounded...

I'm with you two...not on my watch....

Reply by John Schenk on 8/17/09 9:51pm
Msg #300485

It's a good day...

we agree on something!

JJ :-)

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/17/09 10:03pm
Msg #300489

Re: It's a good day...why? Cuz I got Quiet?? Harumpg!!..:) n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 8/17/09 10:27pm
Msg #300498

Becuz you agree on something. n/m

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/17/09 10:34pm
Msg #300505

Re: Becuz you agree on something. .. LOL n/m

Reply by MikeC/NY on 8/17/09 10:07pm
Msg #300491

If you're in favor of her getting a piercing at whatever age , and you have your daughter's approval IN WRITING, I'd say it's not a problem unless your state law specifically prohibits notarizing for a relative - there's no financial interest here, which seems to be what every state uses as a guideline, so there's probably no legal reason why you can't notarize your husband's signature on that document. Again, check your state law - what's allowed here in NY may not be allowed in CA.

OTOH, if you're not in favor of this child mutilating her body just because her friends are allowed to do it (not that I have a personal opinion about that... ), you have the perfect out.... just say no, and let her mother deal with it when your granddaughter gets back home....

If you decide to go forward, you should at least make sure you have that written approval from your daughter in hand first - things like this have a way of coming back to bite you later on... If the kid ends up with an infection from the piercing, and you have no way of showing that mom approved, who's fault is that going to be?

Reply by John Schenk on 8/17/09 10:23pm
Msg #300497

Staph infections are VERY EXPENSIVE to treat! You can rack up $50K in a heartbeat. I deal with those cases every day. I refuse almost all of them, but occasionally there is one that comes along that is worth taking...like 1 out of 500 or so. If a piercing person, or a tattoo person, give you staff, how much money do you think those folks have IF they give you a staph infection? NADA. Jump on that minimal policy, if you can even touch it.

Since the child is with the grandparents, that would mean that the grandparents will be approving the place that this will get done. I might have to help a grandchild out for this one day, but I'm sure not going to invite that liability upon myself for something that I don't personally approve. If someone wants to aid that, send a check to Mama for it, and allow her to approve of the place to do it.

JMO

JJ

JJ

Reply by MikeC/NY on 8/17/09 10:44pm
Msg #300509

I agree with you, John - that's why I said it's important to get the parent's written permission. That might at least mitigate some of the possible problems. This thing has all sorts of "Danger, Will Robinson!" written on it on a personal level, but as a notarial issue it's pretty much cut and dried - as long as the state allows it, it's OK to do.

She didn't ask if we approved - her question was whether she was allowed to do this. The answer is a tentative yes, as long as her state doesn't specifically prohibit it. The potential outcome is a whole other issue that she hasn't asked us about...

Reply by John Schenk on 8/17/09 11:06pm
Msg #300517

I agree with you completely on the notarial aspect of it, and it most likely will be a virtually meaningless act, but it may not be if some sever complications arise from that piercing.

The better practice, IMO, for ALL notaries, no matter what state your are from is DO NOT NOTARIZE A SIGGY FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, PERIOD, EVER!

If you're gonna pay for a belly button piercing, pay another $6, or whatever the fee is in your state, to get that document notarized. If you have a law firm or CPA you regularly deal with, you can get it done for free. I notarize docs for free all the time. I notarize docs for free often for non-clients just to get a relationship with the firm for potential future business simply as a courtesy (Pro Bono Notary work). How about a homeless person...you gonna charge them to notarize their signature? It's a freebie, although I'm not traveling to a location. HOWEVER, as I think about that, it might be something I may offer as a charitable service. In fact, that would probably be a post that I am going to make as I think that is a service that might be a charitable service that notaries might think about.

JJ

Reply by sue_pa on 8/18/09 7:16am
Msg #300536

going off the topic of this thread

...The better practice, IMO, for ALL notaries, no matter what state your are from is DO NOT NOTARIZE A SIGGY FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, PERIOD, EVER! ...

Unless prohibited by your state, I SO disagree with this generalization. I think I posted before ... the latest I did for a family member was my dad .... he ran over his wallet with the lawn mower. Since he wanted to mail for a replacement DL rather than go in for it, he needed a form notarized. What possible problem could this ever present for me? A "risk" I am willing to take. I recently notarized some type document for my sister and her husband for a lost $50 savings bond ... gasp ... some day depending how we all meet our great maker ... I may possibly, perhaps, maybe be a partial heir to a part of that $50 ... oops, but my state says a DIRECT financial interest so that won't matter.

Common sense should prevail.

Reply by CH2inCA on 8/17/09 9:39pm
Msg #300477

Temporary Guardianship?

Heck who needs a notary? Bring her on over here; I got some bailing wire and a real pointy nail. We'll get it done...
We don't need no stinkin' notaries...

Why I remember in my day...