Posted by Ocean Pacific Notary Services, Inc. on 12/2/09 6:46pm
Msg #312863

NEW ID LAW for OR Notaries

Beginning 1/1/2010 - a new law affects how every Oregon notary will Identify document signers. It repeals existing provisions allowing for two non-photo ID to be presented, and instead lists four types of identification that may now be accepted to identify signers: D/L, passport, military ID, and tribal ID. (THIS IS A BIG CHANGE)

OR Notaries may now charge up to $10.00 for each notarial act.

More info: www.filinginoregon.com/notary/changes

Thank you for letting me post

Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/2/09 9:33pm
Msg #312887

Rats. You stole my headline, Gina. Great news, great news. n/m

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 12/2/09 9:37pm
Msg #312888

Those are GOOD changes! n/m

Reply by LKT/CA on 12/2/09 9:51pm
Msg #312890

Just curious.....what were the two non-photo ID's that could be used? Utility bill and credit card?

Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/2/09 9:53pm
Msg #312892

Close; two credit cards worked. Better now. n/m

Reply by Laura_V on 12/3/09 9:20am
Msg #312930

Yep. This is the part that scares me. Too much ID theft out there.

A utility bill is OK ID for obtaining a library card, but to notarize a Power of Attorney for real estate? Yikes.

I'll have to read the ID section later when I get a minute.

Reply by OR on 12/2/09 10:01pm
Msg #312893

Re: Gina Thank you for posting OR rule changes.

I was sent that information last month from another web site. I am glad you posted it here too. It will be nice to be able to charge $10 for sure it was a poor $5 here in OR.

Reply by Jim/AL on 12/2/09 10:14pm
Msg #312895

$5.00.. no tears from me, lol...still only 50 cents in Bama. n/m

Reply by LKT/CA on 12/3/09 12:10am
Msg #312900

Re: $5.00.. no tears from me, lol...still only 50 cents in Bama.

$10 per siggy seems like a lot but when you live in the state of Taxifornia - like me and Marian, then it doesn't go as far.

Reply by Laura_V on 12/3/09 9:12am
Msg #312926

Terrific post!

You OR gals are gonna love these fees!

If you can get $10 per person receiving the oath, then one Jurat signed by two people is an automatic $40. Travel fees on top.

Finally notaries are above taxi drivers in fees we can earn. Hurray!


Plus it was interesting to see that OR very clearly states that notaries outside financial institutions are banned from Presentment / Notary advocate / Honor-Dishonor work.

Best wording on the topic I've ever read.

OR totally rocks!

Reply by PAW on 12/3/09 9:28am
Msg #312932

Huh?

>>> If you can get $10 per person receiving the oath, then one Jurat signed by two people is an automatic $40. Travel fees on top. <<<

First, the max fee is $10 per notarial act, not per signer. So, one certificate (jurat or acknowledgment) for two signers is still $10.

Even if it were $10 per signature, as it is in California, it would only be $20 for two signers with one certificate (jurat or acknowledgment). How did you arrive at $40 for administering an oath to two signers? (Completing a jurat or acknowledgment is not a notarial act. Administering the oath or taking an acknowledgment is the act. The notarial certificate is the written proof by the notary that that act was performed.)

Reply by BrendaTx on 12/3/09 9:54am
Msg #312937

Re: Huh?

I agree with you, Paul. I think it is outlandish to charge $40 for two signers on a jurat.

Reply by Art_MD on 12/3/09 12:36pm
Msg #312970

Re: Huh?

Different states define differently.

In MD, we can charge for performance of an "original notarial act"
Performing a "original notarial act" includes...
Check ID, observe signing of doc (or take acknowledgement and observe signing)
Complete certificate of oath or acknowedgement (if applicable)
Sign the certificate and date
apply seal
record the act in register.

So in MD completing the jurat/acknowledgement is part of the act.

Art

Reply by CH2inCA on 12/3/09 11:19am
Msg #312954

Re: Terrific post!

Really?

I am seriously undercharging...

Reply by jba/fl on 12/3/09 11:21am
Msg #312955

Re: Terrific post!

Really? Who is teaching you math? (Both you and Laura)

Reply by CH2inCA on 12/3/09 11:56am
Msg #312960

Re: Terrific post!

Julianne--explain to me why you find a need to question my mathamatical abilities?

I didn't even post how much I would charge for such a job.

But FWIW; I'd probably do the job for $25 depending on distance traveled. $10 for the jurat (yes, I know I can charge $20 for two signers) and $15 flat fee for travel. That was the basis for my 'woe is me' kind of comment.

hmm...did I forget to carry the zero?

Reply by jba/fl on 12/3/09 12:21pm
Msg #312963

Reply to anonymous from a real person

First, let's address the way you are addressing me. I know Julianne is my name, so does everyone else, but it is not the way I post, and it is NOT how I am known to those who know me.

One of my little irritants in life is when someone who is anonymous to everyone thinks it is so cute, precise, snotty, endearing, wanting-to-make-a-point, using a form of one-up-manship: whatever term you wish to apply to your little anonymous self, to all of a sudden pull out the poster's real name as though they are calling them out into the street at high noon for the battle of the day. So tacky. First, I would never go out to face a foe who is so challenging yet hides behind the barn or the bushes. Ambush is not my style.

As for the math: 2 people signing at $10 per does not equal $40. You replied that you must not be charging enough (something to that effect.) Since the OP can't calculate properly, my comment was directed at that particular feature of the post, hoping that you were not figuring the total in the same manner.

This is not a difficult equation. Do you understand now? Do you now know there may have been just a hint of incredulity with a bit of sarcasm thrown in for good measure? Or does everything have to be spelled out for you on a third grade level.

Reply by CH2inCA on 12/3/09 2:41pm
Msg #312993

Re: Reply to anonymous from a real person

Hmmm..

Well; let me start out with a very public and sincere apology. My intent by using your name was actually a friendly overture not at all a “calling out into the street at high noon” challenge.

Absolutely, not at all.

As for my math skills; again I was noting reference NOT to the sum of the job; but the parts of the job. Of course, we don’t charge for the Jurat Certificate completion AND the Notarial Act (Oath) separately! Which is where my ‘undercharging’ come in. Here is where I threw in a bit of sarcasm of my own. (Oh this wit!)

As for being anonymous..

“So tacky. First, I would never go out to face a foe who is so challenging yet hides behind the barn or the bushes. Ambush is not my style.”

I do not know you JBA I would not consider you a foe. And no challenge was intended. I honestly wanted to know why you would question my math skills not knowing what my fee was. Ambush?

There are a couple of reasons for my anonymity, first is that I’m not a premier member; (can’t afford it yet). And when my business gets to that point I’ll change that here on Notary Rotary. I know it doesn’t have to be that way; but that is the structure I set for myself…and it is one I will follow.

Another is a bit of fear/need. I was suddenly widowed six years ago. I am still struggling through the quagmire of identity theft, mine and my husband’s were stolen just days (maybe hours) after his death. Charge accounts, insurance, annuities, cell phones, financial structure was totally locked up in a matter of days. Now six years, thousands of dollars and literally one life later…I’m very (more than very) careful.

To participate in the forum it is not necessary to expose myself more than absolutely necessary. My listing generates business as needed; but linking to profiles sometimes leads to a more personal form of bashing (especially to newbies). I chose not to subject myself to such…yet.

But there will come a day…. Then whew; watch out! I will be totally exposed!! ;0)

Again...JBA
My apologies

Reply by BrendaTx on 12/3/09 3:05pm
Msg #312996

I'm hopeful the case of the $40 Jurat does not get

buried.

This seems like one of the most important issues to re-occur here...can a notary REALLY charge for both (1) completing a certificate and (2) giving the oath or ack?

Reply by jba/fl on 12/3/09 3:35pm
Msg #313001

You apology is accepted on the condition that my snappish-

ness is forgiven. (Holding out olive branch, with a yellow rose of friendship)

Both of us have very valid concerns at play here, not the least of which is identity theft. I got stung by Countrywide's disgruntled employee and they assisted with the clean up. You, I am sure, did not have that easier avenue opened to you so I can well imagine the frustrations, dismay and fears are magnified compared to mine.

BTW: I don't consider you to be a newbie. Your posts reflect very differently. I know you were new a short while ago, but you have really grown into this business, expanding your knowledge base considerably. I always appreciate those who do their due diligence and homework.

BTW (another): you don't have to be a premier member to link to your profile. Make sure you are taking advantage of that new pro link...it is a great tool.
jba or julie or juls
(lower case intentional)

Reply by CH2inCA on 12/3/09 3:57pm
Msg #313006

Thank YOU!