Posted by Jones - Chelley on 12/17/09 1:49pm
Msg #314755

what to do???

Don't you really dislike when you know one signing agent is cutting the throat of another signing agent? Don't you get sick to your stomach when they take the bread out of the mouths of their brothers or their sisters? Today...I am really repulsed by someone who can willingly cheat someone else out of work. For the record, it is against everything I believe in and I am praying really hard for understanding of this type of personality.

Reply by Yoli/CA on 12/17/09 1:53pm
Msg #314757

Absolutely with you on this, Chelley. Just don't understand it.

Reply by mwm143 on 12/17/09 2:17pm
Msg #314761

Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

Lowering prices to get business happens every day. Ask any salesman.

Now lieing, cheating and stealing to get work is something totally different.

So was is simple price cutting (the Walmart way) or was it something more sinister?

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/17/09 2:22pm
Msg #314764

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

I know the difference between the two...lol! The signing agent went directly to a lender and had them cancel a closing with another notary to have it assigned to her. I could see offering your services for future use...but not taking the closing from someone else. I think that is just dirty...in every sense. If it is competitive...take me out of the competition...I want no parts of it!

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/17/09 2:28pm
Msg #314767

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

I am very protective of my signing agents...and we all look out for one another...I don't approve of this behavior and want no parts of someone who does it. I am venting because I am sickened by the action of this signing agent. If has offended anyone, I am sorry. I just really believe in looking out for one another...being dishonest never reaps rewards.

Reply by mwm143 on 12/17/09 2:34pm
Msg #314770

You should cut the lender loose as a client too. n/m

Reply by Lee/AR on 12/17/09 2:38pm
Msg #314772

Interesting, but confusing...

It seems you're also an SS? The 'my notaries' comment... which is beside the point, just an observation.
How would an uninvolved signing agent even know about a signing to be able to call lender ? direct and have it cancelled with one so it can be re-assigned to another? Sounds more like they had made several calls, filled the assignment and then one of the previously 'called/left a message' notaries called back and quoted less (perhaps closer to signing or, or, or....), so, they reassigned it to have more $$ in their pocket.
I just don't understand how one notary would even know about another's signings.

Reply by PA_Notary_II on 12/17/09 3:51pm
Msg #314781

.being dishonest never reaps rewards.

I have found, in my lifetime that you cannot reap your joy in life by building it with the bricks of misery you have laid in another's life. It just doesn't work.

Reply by mwm143 on 12/17/09 2:33pm
Msg #314769

The lender is just as guilty if not more of being deceptive! n/m

Reply by MW/VA on 12/17/09 9:17pm
Msg #314824

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

That's disgusting. Talk about back-stabbing. That is about the dirtiest trick I've heard of so far in this business.

Reply by jba/fl on 12/17/09 9:40pm
Msg #314826

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

what is it that has happened really? I'm just not understanding all this yet.

Reply by MW/VA on 12/18/09 8:24am
Msg #314853

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

It's in the 4th post (2nd from Chelley).

Reply by jba/fl on 12/18/09 8:49am
Msg #314859

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

But, "I just don't understand how one notary would even know about another's signings." as Lee pointed out.

Could it be that this notary had the assignment originally, and just wanted it back as (s)he was told they would be in position for the signing when it was ready? We are told things like this all the time. Or, could the BO be involved, wanting the notary of their choice?

Unfortunately, this is, IMHO, a she said/she said situation to my way of thinking. There is not enough information to base a decision, no matter which direction.

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 10:06am
Msg #314862

Re: Is it throat cutting or being competitive?

First...thanks for letting me vent! No...the agent was not originally assigned to it.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 12/18/09 10:25am
Msg #314865

Then Chelley, I'm with Lee - just how did this

signing agent find out the details at all....they should not even have known there was a signing scheduled - who tipped this agent off to the signing to begin with

This gets curiouser and curiouser...

Reply by JanetK_CA on 12/19/09 12:28am
Msg #314962

Re: Then Chelley, I'm with Lee - just how did this

Sounds to me like the other SA may have had a previous relationship with the lender or lender contact. I've been, sort of, on the other side of that before, where the LO instructed title that he wanted me to do all his signings, but in those cases, it was never assigned out to anyone else. (At least not that I was ever aware of.) Just speculating here. I agree that without more info, it is pretty tough to make a judgment about this.

Reply by LKT/CA on 12/17/09 2:20pm
Msg #314763

Without names, can you elaborate on what specifically the SA is doing to be so cutthroat and how it's taking bread out of the other SA's mouth?

Reply by Todd/OH on 12/17/09 2:36pm
Msg #314771

It sounds like the lender may have something to do with this as well. Once the signing is awarded, the information "should" be discrete.

Reply by jba/fl on 12/17/09 9:33pm
Msg #314825

I hope you mean discreet -

as in discretion, being the better part of valor; discreet

not

discrete - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
1 : constituting a separate entity : individually distinct <several discrete sections> 2 a : consisting of distinct or unconnected elements : noncontinuous ...

Hope you don't take this the wrong way Todd - I am not the spelling police by any stretch of the imagination...I just knew it was wrong and looked it up so thought I would post, thereby insuring that I would remember in the future. Funny article for remembering in the future: http://everything2.com/title/discreet+vs.+discrete

Reply by BrendaTx on 12/18/09 1:01pm
Msg #314882

I would have bet $$$ that discrete was right, not discreet! n/m

Reply by JanetK_CA on 12/20/09 3:36am
Msg #315082

Got me confused so I looked it up...

Discreet: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Discreet.

Discrete: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Discrete.

I've probably been spelling one or the other wrong for some time. Thanks for bringing it up!

Reply by Todd/OH on 12/18/09 9:39am
Msg #314860

I meant 'discreet' n/m

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 10:07am
Msg #314863

Amen!!

Reply by Seanaidan on 12/17/09 7:12pm
Msg #314801

What is your definition of "cutting the throat of another signing agent". A price war? I do not understand.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/17/09 10:06pm
Msg #314830

Once there was a convoluted assignment, and Title got

frustrated with the SS, who was doing the best they could with information available. Well-into the LO/BO negotiations, upon rescheduling, Title preferred to cut out the original SS and deal directly with me. I politely declined, and called SS with whom I'd originally contracted for the signing.

In a few minutes, SS sent a new confirmation, and relationships were preserved. Borrowers were happy, and the wheels of commerce roll on, no bridges burned.

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 10:36am
Msg #314866

calmer today

I just think I was not meant for this era...I just have a problem with being dishonest and causing harm to someone else's well-being...be it financial or physical. This being said...both agents involved are top-notch signing agents. I just feel the second agent needs a gentle reminder that...when the actions you take and choices you make come full circle...do you really want those choices to come back at you in a bad way? I was a single mom too many years and had many times that I did without and struggled and not once did I ever take something that wasn't mine...including work. To me...being a signing agent your are bound by promise and law to testify that what you see is honest and true...shouldn't that honesty begin with being honest and true to your fellow agents? I guess I am spoiled by the agents I work with...they are like a family. I am just going to say a prayer that someday people really "get" that dishonest acts really don't put you further ahead of the game. Thanks for listening to me rant.

Reply by jnew on 12/18/09 10:51am
Msg #314868

Re: Once there was a convoluted assignment, and Title got

I guess the difference is in the action or inaction of the SA. If one actively pursues to "steal" an order from another SA is one thing. If the TC prefers a specific agent over another the preferred SA should take the job without qualms. Shortstopping a SS order may have consequences in the future and should be avoided IMHO.

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 10:56am
Msg #314869

Re: Once there was a convoluted assignment, and Title got

It is not how I do business...it puts me in a bad light...regardless of the relationship I have with my agents. I am offended because I had to do...and I refuse to do it again. If an agent is preferred...it should be requested from the start...not after another agent has been assigned. My opinion...may be wrong in the eyes of others...but to me, a man is only as good as their word...I was forced to break mine...and I will not do it again!

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 12/18/09 11:08am
Msg #314874

Okay Chelley - now you've got me really confused...

Earlier you said "The signing agent went directly to a lender and had them cancel a closing with another notary to have it assigned to her"

Now you say YOU were forced to break YOUR word - and you were forced to do something you won't do again.

So it's NOT on just the notary? You were involved in the change of assignment too? And you were "repulsed" by the notary's actions??

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 12:21pm
Msg #314880

Re: Okay Chelley - now you've got me really confused...

Yes...I was involved in the action. If you wish to crucify me...please just do it...no tip toes! I am not the owner of this company...I am the low man on the totem pole. I was honest in my actions...and the first agent understands the circumstances we are in. We are all at the mercy of the lenders we work for. Yes...I am still repulsed by dishonesty. Furthermore, did it make you feel good to make me feel worse than I already do? Throw the first stone Linda...it could not make me feel any worse than I already do about the situation...for shame! I never once claimed to be blameless....just honest.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 12/18/09 1:01pm
Msg #314883

I suggest you go back and read your own posts..

Not going to crucify you - you seem to be doing that yourself. Did it make me feel better? No -why would it? - I don't know you and have nothing against you, and I wasn't out to make you feel bad - I was just trying to clear up the scenario which you put public on this forum in the first place, with a smattering of different details coming to light a little at a time.

And if we go back, you sort of DID claim to be blameless - "The signing agent went directly to a lender and had them cancel a closing with another notary to have it assigned to her" and
"Don't you really dislike when you know one signing agent is cutting the throat of another signing agent? Don't you get sick to your stomach when they take the bread out of the mouths of their brothers or their sisters? Today...I am really repulsed by someone who can willingly cheat someone else out of work"......

You posted this Chelley - not me.

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 1:23pm
Msg #314886

Re: I suggest you go back and read your own posts..

Sure did....but I work for a TC that works for the lender...and anyone in the business knows your hands are tied in these situations. So...although I am not without fault...our company and myself have no choice but to listen to the folks who keep us in our seats. As far as sharing the info a little at a time...yep...sure did...I have a job to protect. I vented here only because there are many friends who just listen when someone hurts. Usually you are much more understanding Linda...I am kinda suprised. But then again...I am probably having an emotional meltdown caused by stress...menopause...or whatever. If I have offended you...I am sorry. I will probably read all this again in two or three days and be shocked at my reactions...lol.

Reply by LKT/CA on 12/18/09 2:10pm
Msg #314891

The burning question you did NOT answer, Jones - Chelley

How did the 2nd SA KNOW about the signing in order to call a lender and get it canceled?

How did SA #2 even know WHO the lender was in order to call them? I never know who a lender is until I get the edocs. How would SA #2 know?

Those are the questions you have not answered in your scenarios.....would you be so kind as to fill in those inquiring minds, like myself?

Reply by Jones - Chelley on 12/18/09 2:43pm
Msg #314897

Re: The burning question you did NOT answer, Jones - Chelley

let's pretend you were married to a person who worked there...how convenient would it be to find out what was closing? Hope this puts the fire out...lol. I really was up against a wall on this one...lol. The real stinker is...the 2nd SA if fabulous....I just don't like the politics...ya know?