Posted by GinaKY on 8/5/10 2:33pm
Msg #347793

Hello Paul Rametta

Hi Paul,

You performed a closing for our company Loan Processing Center on 8-3-10. For you to say that we are hand holders and call you too many times is ridiculous. We called you 3 times regarding that closing all day. Once to let you know the docs were ready to print, once to make sure that you were running time and once after the closing to make sure the closing is complete. We take pride in the great communication that we have with our notaries and clients.

When I called you after the closing to confirm the loan closed you were the most unprofessional person that I have ever spoken to in my 13 years of doing loan closings. You have NO right to scream and cruse at me over the phone because we don’t trust you. NO we don’t. This was your first closing for us, we don’t know you. We treat ALL of our notaries the same have the same protocol for each and everyone one of closings, regardless if you have been closing loans with us for years or not. How dare you say we are low ballers. You accepted and agreed to the fee and made no qualms about it. If you were not happy with the fee, you should never accepted the closing.

You said you had been doing closings since 1969, well, if that is the case, don’t you think you would gained a little bit more professionalism over those many years of doing closings? You should know by now that Signing Agencies and Title Companies are the ones that send you business, thus resulting in pay checks. You obviously don’t understand that!

Our scheduling Department even called you for another signing (I am not sure why), and you answered "What do you want?!" What is that? Is that how you respond to people trying to send you business? If so, I don’t see how it is you still do closings. You proceeded to go crazy on our scheduler. If you have issues with a company, take it up with the person who is charge, not a scheduler who has no idea why you are yelling at them.

I will be letting all of our affiliates know not to use you because you are loose cannon. I hope that when you are doing closings, you treat borrowers with a little bit more respect.

Sincerely,

Gina Touche'
Loan Processing Center
502-412-7950

Reply by James Dawson on 8/5/10 2:58pm
Msg #347799

Don't forget to post in S/C n/m

Reply by janCA on 8/5/10 3:05pm
Msg #347802

The poster is from an SS. They are listed in SC.

And they also gave themselves a 5-star rating. Hmmm!!

Reply by James Dawson on 8/5/10 3:07pm
Msg #347803

my point exactly. LOL n/m

Reply by GinaKY on 8/5/10 3:19pm
Msg #347804

As you can see

There are people who like doing closings for us. What am I going to do, give our company a 2 star rating?

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/5/10 3:31pm
Msg #347807

Personally I don't think you should be rating your own

company at all...that's for notaries to do based on work experience..

But that's just me...

I'm curious - did I miss a post - I didn't see where the notary in question posted anything at all about your company here, let alone anything negative...except maybe in SC where he has a right to post and review?

Reply by GinaKY on 8/5/10 3:38pm
Msg #347815

Re: Personally I don't think you should be rating your own

Linda,

It is not fair to have been blasted on this website for having great communication with our notrary and Title companies. When I posted the comment on SC, I did not change the star rating. It automatically populated when I hit post. What star should I have given our company before posting.? We dont make posts usually, but I will defend anyone who feels it necessary to post negatives comments when they are warranted.

I would appreciate anyone who has done work for Loan Processing Center to acknowledge that we are a good and friendly company to work with.

Reply by anotaryinva on 8/5/10 3:59pm
Msg #347825

Gina, fyi SC does not automatically assign a star rating

If you try to leave a comment with out assigning a rating this is what you get in
big RED letters:

Error: If you are going to provide a comment, you must also provide a rating



.

Reply by Scott Sexton on 8/5/10 4:39pm
Msg #347834

Re: Personally I don't think you should be rating your own

I am going to agree with the SS on this one. Regardless of the incident that prompted this post that is between the SS and the Notary. However, if we as NSA's are going to say something about a SS or TC they have the right to respond in a public forum. Who are we to judge? It gives us a better picture of the argument and it is up to us individually to decide if we will/will not accept an assignment from that company. We were not involved and are not party to the debate but now both sides have had the ability to speak their peace. It is just like rating any other service on any other website we get to see the good, the bad, and the indifferent.

I can tell you I have recently closed two loans for LPC and I think they are one of the best in my area. They have always been professional and courteous. The fees are reasonable and when an adjustment needs to be made we make an agreement. I just closed a loan yesterday for them that was 2.5 hours away from home each way. Obviously the standard fee had to be negotiated and the process was very simple. No hassle at all.

Most SS's call to make sure that you have received the documents and again to make sure everything is ok. I have had no issues with the interactions with their staff or harassment. They called me once to see if I had the docs, once to make sure everything was set with the borrower, and once after the closing to make sure it went smooth and I had everything I needed to return the docs. To be very honest I would normally have the same amount of communication with any SS so the fact they called me takes a burden off. As a professional courtesy I always call or email to let them know I have received the docs, once to let them know the borrower has confirmed the appointment, and again after the closing to let them know the date/time of closing and tracking number of the returned docs.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/5/10 5:13pm
Msg #347839

Re: Personally I don't think you should be rating your own

"Regardless of the incident that prompted this post that is between the SS and the Notary. However, if we as NSA's are going to say something about a SS or TC they have the right to respond in a public forum. "

If that were the case, then why was it brought up? Paul posted nothing on the forum. If he posted on SC that is a posting only with one's state so the notary posting has expectation of some sort of anonominity. As for the SS posting under SC, that is not kosher. As for posting on the forum when nothing had been posted about them in the forum, that is not self-defense, that is airing dirty laundry in public and looking for sympathy.

I think that you will find public sentiment will, for the most part, be notaries siding with notaries - you know, their peers. Also, think of it this way - will you be inhibited from posting comments in SC knowing that you could well be blasted for it in public? Will you be truthful to your fellow notaries who are relying upon you and your veracity in considering accepting a job for the SS or TC in question?

Veracity: 1 : devotion to the truth : truthfulness 2 : power of conveying or perceiving truth ...

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/6/10 12:32am
Msg #347890

Multiple calls from ss

"I always call or email to let them know I have received the docs, once to let them know the borrower has confirmed the appointment, and again after the closing to let them know the date/time of closing and tracking number of the returned docs."

I think most pros will do this. (I would certainly hope so!) In my opinion, this makes it unnecessary for so many follow-up calls. They interrupt what we're doing, waste time and potentially intrude on other assignments. If every client did that for every step in the process, it adds up to a lot of time and make it harder to stay on schedule than it already is some days.

I do appreciate a call when documents are ready, but after that, if I have a problem with any of the other issues you mentioned, my clients can be sure they'll be hearing from me. My favorite clients (who also pay more, as a rule) trust me to take care of those details and provide them with a status. (And I don't do the latter when I'm sitting at someone else's kitchen table... )

I suspect I'm not alone with this sentiment...

Reply by James Dawson on 8/6/10 2:30am
Msg #347894

You are absolutely correct. You call me because you..

Know from experience that I will get the job done correctly. One call, job done.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 8/6/10 3:08am
Msg #347896

Absolutely!

I always send an email or leave e massage for certain steps -- once a signing is done, I always confirm it... and I think most of the pros here work along the same guidelines.

A lot of these signing services have been burned by knowledgeable, uncaring notaries in the past. So I get their feelings of needing to control things.... but what they don't realize is that they can't actually do that and still consider us independent contractors.

If they want professionals that they can trust, they need to vet them out a little bit better... and frankly, they need to pay for it, too.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/6/10 2:18pm
Msg #347950

Absolutely- right back at ya, esp "they need to pay for it"!

I find myself wondering how much a ss could add to notary fees by eliminating all the employees they have on payroll to handle all the babysitting. And it's frustrating to be checked up on by someone who you can tell doesn't know much about our business and has never done a loan signing.

Reply by Cari on 8/6/10 2:10pm
Msg #347949

Excellent post Scott...I agree... n/m

Reply by James Dawson on 8/5/10 3:34pm
Msg #347811

What bothers me about your post..is n/m

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 8/5/10 3:34pm
Msg #347812

Re: As you can see

<<What am I going to do, give our company a 2 star rating?>>

No. But just a suggestion: Don't rate yourself at all. SC is for notaries to alert other notaries to the pros/cons of hiring agencies. Rating yourself is sort of like a Police Department announcing that they did an investigation of complaints against them and found the complaints completely worthless and pronounced themselves wonderful. Pointless. And quite frankly, a SS does not have to defend itself against Notaries Gone Wild, as you portray this guy. Over time, your payment record, your fee structure and the way you treat the notaries you deal with (not to mention the way you respond to the way notaries treat you) will establish your reputation and speak for you.

Reply by James Dawson on 8/5/10 3:37pm
Msg #347814

hit wrong button

Anyway what bothers me about your post is this.... " I will be letting all of our affiliates know not to use you because you are loose cannon. "

Does that mean you access a site for SA read their comments and then make a determination whether you should let "affiliates" know if they should hire someone or not? Maybe you can let us know how to access you tell all site so we can read what you are saying about us..that's fair.

Reply by Paul Rametta on 8/5/10 3:30pm
Msg #347806

Re: Hello Gina

First of all let me say I performed your closing to the highest professional standards that would be expected by any TC or SS. The borrowers were delighted with my presentation and I guarantee an error free file was returned to the TC. If any of this is inaccurate, you need not pay me.

I agreed to your fee after your scheduler talked me into your offering since the location was only 2 miles or so from my office. What I did not expect is to have continuous hand holding and numerous phone calls to see if I contacted the borrowers, had received the emailed docs, printed them and then another call to see if I would be on time and finally after your last call to see if I did my job ,your representative (Anthony) called me 4 times the following day and again today.

For the fee you offered, I will not be treated like a rank amateur and pestered to death while I am trying to run my business. Yes, Gina...believe it or not, yours is not the only loan in the world that needed closed on that day. I have a business to run and I cannot allow constant interruptions to deter me from that.

Finally, if I was a little rough with you or your colleagues, I apologize. I have told Anthony that I will no longer service your company and to remove me from your data base. In addition, I assure you I have many, many clients that rely on my professionalism to conduct their business and I have never, ever been treated with such disrespect as your company has shown to me.

Good day, Madam

Reply by GinaKY on 8/5/10 3:33pm
Msg #347810

Re: Hello Gina

Thank Paul.

Reply by anotaryinva on 8/5/10 3:37pm
Msg #347813

Okay, thanks Paul for bringing this co to our attention n/m

Reply by GinaKY on 8/5/10 4:11pm
Msg #347827

Re: Okay, thanks Paul for bringing this co to our attention

I am very sorry to you all for accidentally rating myself 5 stars. I obviously dont know how this board works because I dont ever post anything.

Reply by Julianne Akyol on 8/5/10 4:21pm
Msg #347830

What am I missing here? I don't see that this person posted anything to warrant Gina's post. So to call someone out when nothing has been posted appears, to me, to be a bit small minded.

If the post was done under another name, and I may have an idea who this is, there was still no comment about this company by name.

Is this a mock trial or a witch hunt? I'm lost on this one

Reply by Cam/CA on 8/5/10 4:54pm
Msg #347837

Re: I think Gina's response on here was in reply to Paul's

rating in SC. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/5/10 5:02pm
Msg #347838

So can we agree that Gina

has failed at one of the prerequisites of being in business? You cannot please all of the people all of the time so you need a thick skin.

Also, criticism is most times taken as constructive by adults - how can I fix my company? Attitude? Life? etc.

Reply by GinaKY on 8/5/10 6:28pm
Msg #347847

Re: I think Gina's response on here was in reply to Paul's

You are not wrong. I was only responding to Paul's comment. I apologize again to everyone that I did that. Again, I am unfamiliar with how the postings go. I removed the post under SC so know one else should have any issues with that. from now on I will never post anything on this forum since it is very cleat to me that this is just a feeding freenzy of negative comments about every little thing. Thanks to all who will and have done business for us, we will continuw to have a great relationship. Goodnight

Reply by Notary/ME on 8/5/10 7:42pm
Msg #347863

Re: Got spellcheck??

Spellcheck might be a nice option for this company too. They might buy it with the short payment they made on me a few years back, but I vowed to let that go.... I was a newbie and foolish and didn't fight back. I know much better now. lol

Reply by JanetK_CA on 8/6/10 12:52am
Msg #347892

Re: I think Gina's response on here was in reply to Paul's

I hope people here have enough sense to not judge a company by any one comment posted in signing central. I check it frequently, both the ratings and the comments, then do a search here on this forum. If one comment stands out from other positive comments, then I'm going to assume that the person posting the negative rating may have had a bad day or has issues of their own.

If a signing service consistently runs their business well, treats both their clients and notaries with respect and professionalism, notaries here will make a point of rating them positively. Lots of positive ratings - from the notary members here - will dilute bad notices and ratings and make them irrelevant.

We notaries potentially have the same challenges - except we don't have any way of even knowing if someone is badmouthing us. Anyone can have a bad day or not click with a scheduler who may be having a bad day, but the best thing we can do about that is concentrate on trying to continue to do our best and constantly work to improve. Hopefully the rest will take care of itself.

So now you know how the board works...

Reply by MW/VA on 8/5/10 9:02pm
Msg #347875

I've done a few closings for this company. Their fees are a

little lower, and they use the National Loan Closers platform. You need to update on that site. Otherwise, I never had any problems with them & was paid in a timely manner (about 30 days).

Reply by MonicaFL on 8/6/10 5:44am
Msg #347898

Re: I've done a few closings for this company. Their fees are a

Well, its strange that it took almost six months for my sister to get paid. She kept getting - well, its in the mail or let me check that out - and after numerous phone calls, and I mean NUMEROUS, she finally got paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Reply by MW/VA on 8/6/10 8:44am
Msg #347904

Re: I've done a few closings for this company. Their fees are a

Did she follow up on the website? The last step is to submit your invoice. I'm not defending this co., just saying there is a procedure to follow on the website.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 8/5/10 9:04pm
Msg #347876

Maybe it's just me... and I'm not really commenting on the situation so much as one of the comments made...

" For you to say that we are hand holders and call you too many times is ridiculous. We called you 3 times regarding that closing all day. Once to let you know the docs were ready to print, once to make sure that you were running time and once after the closing to make sure the closing is complete."

Okay... you know what.... that, IMO, *is* handholding/babysitting... and I don't work with companies that pull that kind of stuff, even the first time I work with them.

Companies that hire me should just assume that I will be on time unless I tell them otherwise. I will send an email when I can to let you know that a signing is complete -- I don't need multiple phones calls checking up on me. It's annoying and unprofessional. You hire me to do a job...let me do it. That's the nature of being an independent contractor. Once the job is scheduled, there is NO NEED to call me unless there's a change or update. Are the docs ready? Great... just email them to me, or send me an email that they're available for download. I'll take care of it for there... no need to waste time calling me.

Companies that call like that get my voicemail... when I'm ready to report in, I report in. I don't need a babysitter. I am a professional, independent contractor... and as such you cannot control me or how I do my job. You hire me to do a job -- let me do it. If you want to babysit, then you need to hire employees.

Reply by LKT/CA on 8/5/10 9:22pm
Msg #347881

Marian, you are clairvoyant!

Your post is exactly what I planned to post, but you said it very well so there's no need for me to say the same thing....heehee!!

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 8/6/10 12:09am
Msg #347888

Totally agree, Miriam

All these phone calls are onerous, not to mention very unprofessional. In my experience they are usually the sign of a SS that can't get its act together. If they sought out reliable and dependable notaries they wouldn't have to go through all that - and that the salary paid to the phone bank people could be better spent on notary fees. It also seems these types of SSs are always looking for ways to cut notary fees. Of course, we can't paint every SS who does this with this brush - just most of them: The more handholding, the lower the fee, the more scatter-brained the SS.

Reply by npross on 8/6/10 12:22am
Msg #347889

Good for you, for defending your company

This company probably updates their system as they go. They have every right to call, especially if this SA never worked for them. I always either shoot an email once I get docs and always call or email from my phone that the signing was completed. Every SA should do that, and that would save the SC a call.
And Good for YOU, you should be able to post and state your defense on here. State the name of the signing agent, so that others wont make the same mistake in hiring him. More power to you. They have a good rating, they pay and they've been around for years. Its funny how many people get so upset when a SC posts a negative review on a SA. I actually know of a few companies that share a system and share notes on SA. so if you piss off one scheduler, a few other companies will see notes on your profile.

Reply by MichiganAl on 8/6/10 12:37am
Msg #347891

I've been biting my tongue

But thinking the exact same thing about the phone calls. And like Marion, I'm not commenting on the situation or the accusations. I think I've done one or two closings for LPS and I've never had an issue.

As far as the first call, I don't have a problem with letting me know docs are available to print. A few of my clients do that. I'm OK with it.

But the next two calls? I would not be happy. Calling me to ask me if I'm on the way is just about the definition of babysitting. If you hire me to be at a certain place at a certain time, you can be sure I'll be there. I wonder how the original poster would feel if her boss called her every morning, "hey, just wanted to make sure you were on your way to work." Bet you she'd consider that babysitting.

And the call to make sure the closing is complete is another one I wouldn't appreciate. I'll follow whatever reporting procedure you want. Whether you want an email, or a fax, or a call after the closing, I will accommodate (I'll accommodate ONE of those. Anything more is redundant and a waste of everyone's time). But don't call me. If you're expecting a phone call, I'll call you after the closing is complete. If you hear nothing, it means I'm doing my job and there are no issues. If you expect a call after the closing, fine. But if you haven't gotten a call yet it means I'm still there. So please don't interrupt just to check up on me. If your instructions are to fax or email a confirmation after the closing, then calling is just a duplication of the same process. You'll get the fax or email as soon as I get back to my office. P.S., we do work for other companies too and many times have to go to another signing. So you may not get a fax or email until later in the day or evening. If you hear nothing, it means I did the job you hired me to do.

I wouldn't be rude, but I would definitely address those kind of calls with the hiring party and politely ask them to refrain from those last two calls. I would not work regularly for a company that did that.

My best clients are the ones who call for the appointment and never call again. Three calls in one day? With all due respect, that's is most definitely babysitting.

Reply by James Dawson on 8/6/10 2:36am
Msg #347895

ditto!!! n/m

Reply by MW/VA on 8/6/10 8:43am
Msg #347903

Same here, ditto. It's a real PIA for companies who call to

babysit every set of the process. I don't have time for that.

Reply by janCA on 8/6/10 9:33am
Msg #347909

Re: Same here, ditto. It's a real PIA for companies who call to

And to top it off, many of us have been in this business longer than most SS's. And if we haven't been, then I'll bet they didn't follow that protocol way back when, because they actually did hire experienced SA's and there was no question as to their ability to complete an assignment. Now, because of the "price shopping", they don't know who or what they're getting.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/6/10 10:04am
Msg #347914

Especially PITA when you have 30+ years experience

Paul's profile indicates he has been in the biz that long......

lookup zip code 16823 for his premier profile

Reply by HrdwrkrVA on 8/6/10 11:47am
Msg #347924

I agrre w/ 'I've been biting my tongue'

A call that docs are ready - yes: most of us aren't staring blankly @ our PCs waiting for docs

On time - no: if my docs are late, I'm late, but I still call the BOs (really frustrating when you don't know how late & you have to make sure BO is flexible). Everytime I call Title, it's always '5 minutes', but more like 55-90 min. Very unprofessional!

A call afterwards no: often I'm STILL at the signing & yes - it is redundant for them to then say "... well, just make sre you go to our website...yadda yadda yadda..." . The least you can do is close yourself!

If you're doing 4or 5 closings, these calls add up per loan: TC, LO, BO, & SS. Multiply that by 3 for each loan & you fellow SAs know what I mean!

If this is the first time../hmmm, but a total PITA on a regular basis, esp. w/ your regular notaries. If ya don't trust 'em, don't use 'em!

Reply by GinaKY on 8/6/10 12:13pm
Msg #347926

Re: I agrre w/ 'I've been biting my tongue'

To everyone:

It is a real shame that the notaries in the past has messed it up for everyone else. The things we have set in place are for a reason. People not showing up for closings, not calling if there are issues at the table and so on......I am NOT saying you are all like this, but if we call you for a signing, dont take it. Believe me, there are plenty of people who do our closings and for the record... we have been in business for 13 years. And have survived the worst of it and are growing monthly. So no worries on my part. I am done defending my company until I see any other bad posts that are not warranted.

Reply by jnew on 8/6/10 1:37pm
Msg #347939

Re: I agrre w/ 'I've been biting my tongue'

I think we should have more of these posts. Get it off your chests. Hammer it out. The market decides who is right and who is wrong. Hand holding is what you use if you need dummies with a stamp. They will point and sign and take whatever fee is presented. This is not one company, this is a trend. Both indicate pursuit of the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, low quality should be one of the expectations. A compromise would be a checklist detailing all of the requirements, instead of calling seperately for each requirement. The checklist is initialed and faxed prior to the documents being sent back. Hand holding is perceived by some as an indication of mistrust and an assumption that the SA does not have the ability to accomplish the task alone. I always have in the back of my mind that the SC glorifies its postion by redundant quality checks. The SC is not the signing agent, they are placing business between the closing agent and the signing agent and really perform no other necessary function. If contacts between SA's and Closing Agents could be made readily available, there would be no need for SC's, other than as nannies for less than accomplished SA's.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 8/6/10 2:25pm
Msg #347953

Re: I agrre w/ 'I've been biting my tongue'

Gina, the thing is that as a company hiring an independent contractor, you're not SUPPOSED to treat people that way. The IRS is really clear about it for one -- if you hire an IC, you cannot control how they do their job ... and one of our forum participants here recently WON a small claim case brought against him by a signing service for very similar issues.

If you've been burned in the past, you're simply hiring the wrong signing agents and not checking them out before you hire them.

Sadly, there are a LOT of bozos out there... a LOT, but it is really true that you get what you pay for in this business... and none of your babysitting is needed with the good signing agents. And yes, as many others here have agreed -- the multiple calls ARE hand holding and babysitting.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't take a job from you if you called me... but you can darn well bet I wouldn't answer repeated calls from you knowing all you want to do is see if I'm on time or if a signing is finished. That's overly controlling, and I'm not an employee, nor are the other agents you hire.

What I can guarantee is that I would get the job done right -- what more is there to know? And if I do screw up (which I haven't ever done), I would gladly go out of my way to make it right on my own dime.

Look at it from our perspective -- if docs are promised by X, then I expect them to be ready to print at the time. How would you feel if I called you at 30 minutes before that time and said, "Hey are those docs going to be ready? Are you on time?" It's annoying, isn't it? I just truat that if you say docs are going to be ready by X -- then at X, I will print them.

Well, sadly... a great majority of TC and SS's never deliver docs when they are supposed to be delivered... they are often hours late... and do you ever compensate the signing agents for that? I have always maintained that there is never an excuse for late documents -- if you're scheduling a signing, the docs should be done. I, personally, have a drop-dead time... if docs aren't available X hours before the appointment... the appointment is either canceled or rescheduled at my discretion or I turn the job back right then and there. Every TC and SS I work with is aware of this ahead of time and I stick to it because I won't be held responsible for somebody else's inability to perform their job. We're all professionals and we deserve to be treated as such, not as children.

Reply by MW/VA on 8/6/10 3:14pm
Msg #347961

Re: I agrre w/ 'I've been biting my tongue'

Gina, I hope you appreciate that there are good & bad on both sides of the fence. We deal with companies that give us the run around & we have to chase our money. You deal with notaries that aren't competent. Many of us narrow our list of clients, just like many ss develop a list of select notaries that they use. It's exactly why many of us feel we should be paid accordingly for our experience & expertise.

Reply by MichiganAl on 8/6/10 4:49pm
Msg #347975

Gina, this could have been a constructive conversation

But you're so quick to stomp your feet and get defensive. I think the conversation towards you has been reasonable and professional. We can all learn from each other, and I certainly think there's a middle ground here. Say maybe you do this for the first few signings but after a notary has established that they can do the job you expect, you can stop with the calls. We get that you've been burned by some notary signing agents. Wanna guess how many signing services have burned US over the years? It goes both ways.

Reply by anotaryinva on 8/6/10 7:50pm
Msg #347989

Re: Gina, this could have been a constructive conversation

Exactly. She basically dug herself a hole with her first personal attacking post which was unnecessary. A notary rated them in SC and she attacked, only notaries wanting to find out about that co would have even checked. Now, Loan Processing Center and National Loan Closers or what ever they are called has been basically dragged through the mud for everyone to see and remember. I know when I started out there were certain names that stuck in my head not to work for...Loan Processing and National Loan are now part of that list (no loss couldn't have met my fee).

Reply by CaliNotary on 8/6/10 3:24pm
Msg #347962

"How dare you say we are low ballers"

Let us be the judge of that, how much did you offer for the signing?