Posted by HisHughness on 12/8/10 9:02am
Msg #364304

Bed-ridden signer with no ID

A recent thread dealt with with what a would-be signer is supposed to do if he/she is bedridden and has only an expired ID.

In Texas, I have learned, it is possible to obtain an ID even if the resident can't go to DPS. All that is required, according to a response I got this morning to an inquiry I had filed with the agency, is for the party to call the nearest DPS branch and >talk with a supervisor<. The supervisor will set up a home visit. The cost is $19, the same as for a visit to the DPS office.

My guess is that a similar procedure is available in other states, so NSAs confronted with the situation may wish to get in touch with their issuing agencies and ask how it's done.

This information brought to you as a courtesy by His Royal Hughness, otherwise known as His Royal PITA. Anyone who finds it useful, please face Austin and bow five times.

Reply by Moneyman/TX on 12/8/10 9:10am
Msg #364305

Thanks for the update. n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 12/8/10 9:35am
Msg #364307

Great news! n/m

Reply by A S Johnson on 12/8/10 9:38am
Msg #364308

Hugh,
Who said you were and old, brokendown, retired lawyer. You do have value. Thanks
Sid

Reply by Joan Bergstrom on 12/9/10 1:00am
Msg #364426

Re:Calif Bed-ridden signer with no ID

I recently did a notarization for someone who wasn't bedridden, but, her CA Senior ID was photographed with her in a bed.
I had not seen this before and asked the signer and her daughter how this took place?

They said signer had an appt. with the DMV to come to the signer"s house to get a Senior ID taken and that day the signer wound up in the hospital and that is where the photo was taken.

The daughter said the DMV was so inept that it took over 3 hours to get the camera set up!

I'm stunned that the CA DMV took 3 hours, because CA Gov is so efficient!!

I won't go outside tomorrow because I might be hit by lightning!
Cheers

Reply by MichiganAl on 12/8/10 10:10am
Msg #364316

I wish we had that option in Michigan

In the past I've talked to the Secretary of State office here in Michigan and was told no can do. They all but told me that the signer is out of luck. Good to know other states have options. I'm going to re-approach them and see if there's a solution to be had.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 12/8/10 3:40pm
Msg #364373

Use of Credible Witnesses is another potential option.

Seems to me that this is the type of situation for which their use was intended.

Reply by Linda Juenger on 12/8/10 5:07pm
Msg #364387

A credible witness has to be known by both signer and notary

in IL. What are the chances of that??

Reply by MichiganAl on 12/8/10 5:20pm
Msg #364388

Re: Use of Credible Witnesses is another potential option.

CW is different in Michigan. CW has to know the signer AND the notary personally. We can't just grab two people that know the signer.

Reply by Mia on 12/8/10 4:38pm
Msg #364381

Re: I wish we had that option in Michigan

In my area the SOS will go to homes or nursing homes, etc.
However, it does take about a month or so for an appointment.
I believe they have to because, of the Americans With Disabilities
Act.

Reply by ReneeK_MI on 12/8/10 4:52pm
Msg #364384

Re: I wish we had that option in Michigan

I can't imagine the SOS having different protocols for different areas?! Can you e-mail me or post more info on this, Mia?? Alex and I have both investigated it, and other than the really dumb Mobile SOS Unit that goes to places like large shopping strips and such, we've come up blank. For Pete's sake, if someone can get out to a shopping area, they can probably just as easily get to a SOS office!

Reply by Mia on 12/8/10 6:06pm
Msg #364392

Re: I wish we had that option in Michigan

I can't post any official information because, it is just something the SOS DOES
in my area.
I guess I will write to Terry Lynn Lan (or whatever her last name is) to get the
official determination.
Oh, you know, I could have our TV Station do what they call "an Investigation"
and see what they come up with too.
Stay tuned (probably in a few weeks) for more information to come.

Reply by HisHughness on 12/8/10 11:18pm
Msg #364421

Re: I wish we had that option in Michigan

Renee, in Texas as in most states, I suspect, ID is issued by the Department of Public Safety in conjunction with its driver license program. Hae you explored the matter with that department?

Reply by ReneeK_MI on 12/9/10 4:31am
Msg #364433

SOS's jurisdiction here in MI, exploration ongoing =) n/m

Reply by MichiganAl on 12/8/10 5:51pm
Msg #364390

Really?

Ditto what Renee said. I've hit a brick wall with them, and have never heard of or read about the SOS going to homes. I'd really like to see some information about this.

Reply by Julie/MI on 12/8/10 6:55pm
Msg #364397

Re: I wish we had that option in Michigan

What am I missing in the Michigan Public Act that you see that I don't?

Reply by MichiganAl on 12/8/10 7:58pm
Msg #364402

Julie, I'm not sure what you're asking.

There's nothing in the act that allows me/us to take an expired ID. What I discussed with the SOS was trying to find a way that they could issue a new ID to someone who was bedridden and could not go to them. Allow me to bring certain documentation in to them to issue a new ID or send someone out who can collect the information needed and issue the person a new ID. I was told that nothing could be done without the person coming to the Secretary of State office, which left them effectively screwed. It's not about what's in our Notary Act, but about their own rules and guidelines about issuing IDs. Renee and I are still trying to find the right person to talk to and frankly I'm just not sure if they have a certain act that they have to follow that dictates their rules for issuing IDs or if it's an internal guideline or process that can be addressed. We're just starting to gather some info.

Reply by famena on 12/8/10 10:59am
Msg #364324

Thanks Hugh..

Very useful info.

Reply by Linda Juenger on 12/8/10 11:29am
Msg #364329

IL does not have this option n/m

Reply by RonA/CA on 12/9/10 12:58am
Msg #364425

In CA a bed-ridden signer with no ID can be identified by two credible witnesses, neither have to be known by the notary. The two CW's must sign the notary journal and swear (or affirm) under oath that they personally know the signer with no ID.

Reply by Chakwaina on 12/9/10 8:58am
Msg #364441

In TN all they need to do, before the DL expires, is have someone go online for them and request a new DL and pay the fee by CC and it will be mailed to them.

Reply by ikando on 12/9/10 3:05pm
Msg #364489

In Oklahoma, the ID is issued by the Dept. of Public Safety. I contacted them. Only way an ID can be issued is for person to go to DPS or tag agency. If it's expired more than 30 days, they have to produce a birth certificate...something that's often not easily come by.