Posted by desktopfull on 12/5/10 12:38pm
Msg #364014

Just curious......

Why is it okay on this forum for us to slam bad companies, but off limits for a company dealing with a bad notary to slam a notary?

Granted they shouldn't be giving borrower info, because that violates GBLA, but wouldn't it be nice to hear the other side of the story as well. Couldn't we all learn from mistakes that notaries make and that the companies we contract with have to deal with on a daily basis too? Afterall, a bad notary just lowers how we look as professionals.

Reply by Stoli on 12/5/10 12:54pm
Msg #364016

Agreed. But the borrower could be anywhere in the USA. n/m

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 12/5/10 12:55pm
Msg #364017

It *is* okay if they're doing it in a constructive manner

Such as responding in a "notary" discussion as to some reasons why pay is withheld (which I might add is already in their confirmations)...ad nauseum....

This forum is for notaries to share experiences - and that's what most do - and if that experience is with a company that is slow-pay or no-pay, then they're sharing that with us, their fellow notaries.

To me the previous post as it was stated should have been handled between the poster and the notary. How does the original poster even know the notary SAW the message - she doesn't...so, that makes the post just a noisemaker and nothing more. And as for the *other* poster encouraging them to name the notary..well, I'll just not speak to that because I can't, at least not politely.

I don't know about you, Barb, but I sure don't want this forum overrun by SS's - this is supposed to be a "notary" forum - at least that's my belief - and I'd like it to stay that way.

MHO

Reply by desktopfull on 12/5/10 1:18pm
Msg #364024

Re: It *is* okay if they're doing it in a constructive manner

"I don't know about you, Barb, but I sure don't want this forum overrun by SS's - this is supposed to be a "notary" forum - at least that's my belief - and I'd like it to stay that way."

I'm not suggesting that Linda, but we both know that there are a lot of notaries bending, breaking and ignoring the laws of their states and in general not knowledgeable about performing closing services.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 12/5/10 1:26pm
Msg #364027

True...but you let one go and the next thing you know

there's another..and another..and another...

We here have never opposed constructive discussion - it's always great to hear the "other side" and yes, we learn from it...to me, the other post just had a totally different tenor to it. It wasn't "notaries, let me tell you stories so you know what we face" - it was more "Dear Notary...let me tell you what your problem is".... it just "sounded" like it was meant to be between the two of them

I'm sure this is not the first notary JoAnne has had a problem with - but I think it's the first time she's gone public with a problem; that's why I believe the posting here was a mistake and was supposed to be a private message....I THINK!!!

Reply by Smitty/MI on 12/5/10 12:55pm
Msg #364018

I agree. I see nothing wrong with it as long and precautions are taken to protect the borrower. We read plenty about bad co.'s. Likewise, this forum is used by many as a learning tool and the previously mentioned errors, if true are not, are definitely NOT the actions of a professional "signing agent". Whether true or not it is a learning tool indeed....advise of completion of closing, and return doc's on TIME. All not involved should take it for what it is worth and don't be so quick to bash.

Reply by Donna McDaniel on 12/5/10 12:56pm
Msg #364019

IMO, this would change the whole dynamic of NR. This site is for "professional notaries" not a forum for SS or TCs. They can rate us on our profiles, just like we rate them in SC.

Reply by Tess on 12/5/10 12:56pm
Msg #364020

Re: Should not be here, but

Posted by Tess of PA on 12/5/10 12:46pm Msg #364015

I know I will take a hit on this, but, maybe having a

response area in SC is a good idea, like on eBay, it would be a way for them to give their side of the story. Whether we believe it or not is up to us!

Reply by James Dawson on 12/5/10 12:59pm
Msg #364021

I would think that is more than acceptable/fair but it isn't fair to slam a notary on NR without investigating whether or not the notary is a NR member. It could just be someone out there who isn't a member and yet this kind of thing is reflecting on us all.

I doubt a NR notary would do such a thing. Just don't slam someone without giving them a chance to respond to a negative post about themselves. For example, it could be a disgruntle former employee, which we've seen, unfairly attacking their old employer. They couldn't justify causing pain and suffering to the borrower just because the got fired.

Reply by HisHughness on 12/5/10 1:40pm
Msg #364033

I'm curious, too

Exactly what was accomplished by the post? Deconstruct it:

1. The notary wasn't named, and there is absolutely no assurance the notary would even see the post. If the purpose was to educate the notary, or take him to task, then patently the best way to handle that was to communicate with the notary directly.

2. There was nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in the post that would assist >any< notary who reads this board in doing their job better. Every failing cited by the poster -- not shipping documents for several days, failing to call back as promised, shipping to the wrong address -- is something so fundamental to our profession that no one on here needs to be told that is not appropriate service.

3. There is no indication that the post is responsive, that the poster is defending his refusal to pay a fee because some NotRot poster has complained about him on the forum.

There was an agenda behind the post. I'm not sure what it was; maybe the poster did not want to hear from the notary anymore about collecting his fee, and this was just a warning shot across the bow that if the notary keeps pursuing collection, the posts will get more pointed and his name will be revealed.

I don't have a problem with non-notaries posting here, as long as the intent is to help us do our job better. They want to give us some insight into why it might be important for notaries to maintain the original document stacking order, or why they think signing agents should not compliment borrowers on the appearance of their homes, that's fine with me. That helps me do my job. But to come on to NotRot and complain about an unnamed notary in a fashion that does nothing to help me is BS. The poster has sites where he can give his recommendations on individual notaries; let him do it there.

Reply by LKT/CA on 12/5/10 1:51pm
Msg #364034

Re: I'm curious, too

<<<2. There was nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in the post that would assist >any< notary who reads this board in doing their job better. Every failing cited by the poster -- not shipping documents for several days, failing to call back as promised, shipping to the wrong address -- is something so fundamental to our profession that no one on here needs to be told that is not appropriate service.>>>

Absolutely agree.

Reply by Smitty/MI on 12/5/10 9:16pm
Msg #364075

Re: I'm curious, too

Seriously, why respond with such anger. Obviously this would not be of any help to you, as it is apparent that you know your job very well as is clear in your many posts. However, how many "newbies" do you see post here on a daily basis, trying to get started and ask questions that are considered fundamental, only to be either yelled at or told to read all the posts then read again. Like I stated take it for what it is worth, to most, nothing to someone else it could be a valued lesson. Many people read this forum it is public after all. Only the parties involve know the truth.

Reply by Wells_Chi on 12/7/10 5:54pm
Msg #364268

Re: I'm curious, too

I agree, being a newbie to the site and being attacked a few times have deterred me from posting or asking anything on NotRot. Also, I didn't want to deter any business from myself for fear of looking clueless about the profession. I would prefer for someone to send me an email if they are truly concerned that I'm messing up and making notaries look bad.

Reply by jba/fl on 12/7/10 6:22pm
Msg #364270

Now I am really curious, Wells_Chi

I just looked up all your past posts (5) and don't see where anyone attacked you at all. Yes, you did just begin posting in August this year, but received only good and constructive replies. In fact, I would not have known you were new except you said so. I see no reason for you to be shy.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 12/7/10 7:04pm
Msg #364281

Yes..very curious...perhaps under another forum alias? n/m

Reply by MW/VA on 12/5/10 3:53pm
Msg #364047

Companies have come on here from time to time to defend themselves when they are being bashed. IMO that's only fair. Sometimes there is a problem with the notary. I've learned that there are mixed reviews in SC for the same reasons.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 12/5/10 6:30pm
Msg #364065

Pls see msg #364061 below; shoulda read this thread first... n/m