Posted by Liz/OR on 12/23/10 7:42pm
Msg #365933
OMG, I am so mad at Brother
Got this new printer and it had a starter cartridge. Well, just refilled the thing (PITA) and taped up the hole (because the plastic thing wasn't coming out easy like my other Brother toners had) and it was still telling me to change it. THEN, I take it out, gently rock back and forth and it leaks all over everything. GRRRR $#^#$%%$
| Reply by Raimond on 12/23/10 8:47pm
Msg #365938
I know how you feel.
I just refilled a cartridge on my Brother today. It ran out last night while printing the second set. No amount of shaking would get the last few pages out. Pulled out the second one I have on hand and continued printing. Refilling mine was not difficult at all but the plug come out fairly easy for me.
I fill them outside, there is in my opinion no way to do it without a small mess. If anyone has a procedure to do it better please share.
| Reply by HisHughness on 12/23/10 10:04pm
Msg #365944
***If anyone has a procedure to do it better please share.***
The secret to trouble-free operation, including refilling cartridges, of your Brother printer is to buy nothing but HP equipment.
Works every time.
| Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/23/10 11:09pm
Msg #365947
Just so. Brother Faxx is okey mcsmokey, but for printing?
HP is where to be.
| Reply by Carol Graff on 12/23/10 11:29pm
Msg #365952
Re: Just so. Brother Faxx is okey mcsmokey, but for printing?
Not sure if that was "tongue in cheek" about only using HP. However, I just recently returned my 2rd brother printer (first one broke down in a little over a yr, 2nd & 3rd had same problem and I returned to STaples right away). So now I have an HP and so far so good. The repair guy told us HP was the best also.
| Reply by HisHughness on 12/23/10 11:43pm
Msg #365954
Re: Just so. Brother Faxx is okey mcsmokey, but for printing?
The HP LP4 was the Model T of laser printers. Inexpensive, easy to operate, simple mechanically, and it endured forever; there are still offices using them. If the LP4 was the Model T, the HP 1020 series was the Model A: Sleeker, more features, faster, and still inexpensive. And both just never seem to stop churning out the paper. I run a 1022, and keep a 1020 as a standby. All that, and the cartridges are only about $12-14 each for six on Amazon.
There are some things that I think are just eternal verities: My daughter's the prettiest girl in the room, the existence of the University of Texas Longhorns is the best evidence that there is a Creator; PAW is smarter than me but I'm funnier than him; and HP makes the best printers that can be found.
You can take all that to the bank.
| Reply by PAW on 12/24/10 9:14am
Msg #365971
HP LP4 the Model T of lasers?
I don't think so, since the LJ4 didn't reach the market until 23 years after the laser printer was invented by Xerox.
The following article is written by John C. Arkin from PrintCountry, the contributor of Printer Ink Cartridges Articles. More information on the subject is at 'Who invented the first Laser Printer? The History of Laser Printers', and related resources can be found at Dell Laser Toner Cartridges.
Who Invented The First Laser Printer? The History Of Laser Printers
By: John C. Arkin | Posted: 14th October 2008
The Laser Printer was invented at Xerox in 1969. The earliest model was based on the company's own xerographic copiers and was modified according to the requirements of a printer. Researcher Gary Starkweather is credited with its research and development and by the year 1971, he had brought into being a fully functional networked printer system. Over a period of time, the business of laser printing earned billions of dollars for Xerox.
The First Laser Printing Machines
Commercial laser printers were first integrated into use by way of the IBM model 3800 in the year 1976. It was used by businesses to print high-volume documents like mailing labels and invoices. All in all it was a very primitive version of the modern day printers and was quite large. One of the first laser printers that were specially designed for use with an individual computer was the Xerox Star 8010 that was released in 1981. The biggest problem with this printer was the expense. Their price was around $17,000 which actually made it unaffordable for most individuals and business so its use was limited to a relatively smaller number of businesses.
To read the entire article, go to http://www.articlealley.com/article_665070_10.html
There's also a good time-line of the history at http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~yarin/laser/laser_printing.html
| Reply by HisHughness on 12/24/10 12:03pm
Msg #365990
Re: HP LP4 the Model T of lasers?
***the LJ4 didn't reach the market until 23 years after the laser printer was invented by Xerox.***
Wasn't intended to be a reference to the LP4's chronological placement, but to its cost, simplicity, and durability. And its universality of acceptance.
| Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/24/10 1:25pm
Msg #366000
Not kidding, Carol, it's all HP for me for printing. n/m
| Reply by BrotherOwner on 12/24/10 2:13am
Msg #365957
Re: Refill tip
Someone else's idea ( can't remember who, but credit is hereby given). I take a small box, abot the size of a small bathroon trash can, line it with a plastic grocery bag. I dump my waste toner in there, and still have two hands free to handle the toner cart. I take a plastic lunch sandwich bag and place it profilactically ( sp, it's late) over the end with the fill plug, and hold it in place (could use a rubber band I suppose, and poke a hole in the bag a little smaller than the toner fill, pyt spout right into the fill hole. Fill cart., discard bottle with waste toner in bag, replce plug or install New plug and done! The sandwich bag keeps all or most toner out of the gears. OUTDOORS FILLING IS A MUST! Non-windy day. In winter I use laundry tub. YMMV. Good luck.
| Reply by BrotherOwner on 12/24/10 2:17am
Msg #365958
Re: Extra pages tip...
There's a toner level reading hole in the side of the toner cart. Blabk tape over this will get the last few hundred pages out of cart, toner. Google is your friend, it's late.
| Reply by BrotherOwner on 12/24/10 1:51am
Msg #365956
Re: OPERATOR ERROR.NOT Brothers fault......
1) Refilling is always at your own risk/skill level 2) Did you JUST put tape over the hole or punch a hole in the plastic plug and tape over it? Big error. 3) If you replace the toner on some models you may need to reset the machine. New machine. read the manual. (RTFM). The change message was probably from the machine not being reset, not the lack of toner in the cartridge. 4) Shaking any toner cartrige that doesn't have a complete/secure fill hole plug? Ah, pricelss the mess it would make. A thought. Some printers, Dell comes to mind, actually have a chip as part of the toner cartridge and has to be reset, or even if you have refilled the toner, the cartridge will not be recognized as full by the printer. Not sure if Brother has moved this direction or not. My Brother printers do not require any resetting. YMMV. See my tip below for cleaner refilling.
| Reply by Raimond on 12/24/10 5:54am
Msg #365962
I feel that HP makes the best laser printer and that PAW is a wealth of knowledge but the topic is about refilling a cartridge.
The plastic bag and box idea is helpful, will try it next time I refill mine. Never heard about putting tape over the window before. Another point is to avoid humid days when completing your refill.
Not everyone is a do it yourself person as I am. For those that are not, buy a replacement new or refilled, no dirty hands. Refilling a cartridge saves a ton of money over buying OEM every time it runs out. A OEM for my Brother is about $65 and a bottle of toner is available for less than $15. I don't refill my HP cartridges because due to it's age the consumables are very affordable on E-Bay. I only refill a cartridge once or twice but I have heard of them being re-filled more.
Companies refill cartridges, HP even gives you a prepaid label to ship the empty one back to them. As I stated before the cartridge on my brother already has a refill hole in it so the process is simpler. There are tools available to make a hole in the ones that don't have one from the factory.
Refilling is recycling, better for the environment.
Anyone else have an idea about refilling to contribute?
| Reply by Susan Fischer on 12/25/10 7:45pm
Msg #366038
My old TonerGuy (retired now) told me it takes two
barrels of oil to make one printer cartridge.
With HPs, there's a chip that must be replaced when I refill. The problem lies in getting untested chips - and one of the bad ones fried my first 2430! TG's supplier used untested chips...bummer. So I guess the message is, verify chips are tested whether refilling or buying refurbished cartridges.
| Reply by LKT/CA on 12/25/10 4:54pm
Msg #366032
<<<Got this new printer and it had a starter cartridge. Well, just refilled the thing (PITA) and.......>>>
I have two Brother laser printers and haven't had a single problem/issue with either one. At the same time, I don't refill cartridges - I buy brand new ones from Provantage.com and they charge a fraction of what the retail stores charge.
When it comes to electronics, I choose to buy brand new manufacturer's cartridges which take less than a minute to install and I'm finished !!! No PITA, no mess, no HAZARDOUS WASTE, and no returning them because of a poor quality product.
| Reply by LKT/CA on 12/25/10 5:56pm
Msg #366034
Do you really *save* any money when the ordeal is <as you put it> a PITA...GRRRR $#^#$%%$... and the *new* equipment is now not working <i.e. it was still telling me to change it.> ????
The old adage is true: You pay now (new cartridge) or you pay later (PITA...GRRRR $#^#$%%$O)....and typically when you pay later, the cost can be much greater. To me, it's more cost effective to pay now rather than later. JMHO
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