Posted by Jacqueline Williams on 2/24/10 12:09pm
Msg #324061

SOXUSA/ SIGNING ON X

Has anyone done work for signing on the x or SOXUSA? If so i just called to see when i will receive a payroll check for a closing done in January. I was informed that they are working on December's payroll. Checks for January will not go out until March.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 2/24/10 12:20pm
Msg #324062

Be nice, children.

One or two folks MIGHT mention, that this CO has been discussed
ad nauseum, and suggest that should have done a search before posting.

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 2/24/10 12:23pm
Msg #324064

Even more importantly

the check you are waiting for is called Accounts Receiveable NOT A PAYCHECK. Untill you understand the difference between the two, you will continue to have problems. This is a business we're in, we are NOT employees so stop thinking like one.

Reply by Jacqueline Williams on 2/24/10 12:49pm
Msg #324079

Re: Even more importantly

I can called it whatever I choose to! For your information the department is called Accounts Receivable. The paper check that you get is called a paycheck or what you want to call it. Find something else to do with your time.

Reply by desktopfull on 2/24/10 8:48pm
Msg #324190

Re: Even more importantly

You certainly do get snippy don't you. Ask for advise and then jump all over those giving you some excellent pointers. However, employees get paychecks and are issued W-2's at the end of the year. Independent contractors receive payments for services rendered and are issued 1099's at the end of the year. Read the IRS definition if you are in doubt. If you are expecting a paycheck from SOX that must mean you are an employee, so I suggest that you contact a "Wage & Hour" division to help you get your paycheck.

However, if you are wanting paid for your services as an independent contractor by SOX, good luck. SOX or Sign on the X has been in the business of ripping off NSA's for over a decade. If you use the ORANGE search button at the top you will find many complaints on this forum of notaries that have been ripped off by this company. In the future, before accepting a closing, I suggest that you check the "Signing Central" part of this website and find out if the company requesting your services is a deadbeat or not. Also, if you do a Google search you will find many articles on SOX and the people that are sueing them and their remarks as to how this company manages to stay in business.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 2/24/10 1:44pm
Msg #324108

Actually, you all were fairly nice. I somehow think,however,

that OP did not fully appreciate your efforts to take my suggestion.
Hey it's been quiet on notrot for a few days. We needed a little excitment.
Hope that all were also busy with EOM signings.

Reply by HKT_TX on 2/24/10 5:43pm
Msg #324160

LOL! n/m

Reply by Roger_OH on 2/24/10 12:22pm
Msg #324063

Ho Boy...

You have a real education forthcoming.

Log in and visit Signing Central for experiences on these and many other companies, and utilize it when considering future assignments from any unfamiliar company.

SOX is the most deadbeat company ever chronicled on this forum. You may never be paid.

Reply by Jacqueline Williams on 2/24/10 12:36pm
Msg #324069

Re: Treat people the way you want to be treated!

It does not hurt for people to be a little bit nicer to people who have questions. I have been in the business for many years. I do not need a refresher or a class on how to do this job or to look up info. Everyone on this forum has been a new notary at one point in their life including you believe it or not. I was always taught to treat people the way I wanted to be treated. You might want to try it sometime in your life. Its not like I am trying to steal leads or something! You guys really need to grow up and be adults and not grade school kids. How would you feel if you called the BBB and they told you to go read 1,000 of threads on their website to find your answer. There is no need to be rule. Life is too short!

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 2/24/10 12:42pm
Msg #324074

Jacqueline, no one's been rude to you at all... n/m

Reply by Roger_OH on 2/24/10 12:44pm
Msg #324077

Re: Treat people the way you want to be treated!

Jacqueline,

There was nothing mean in my reply. I only suggested you use the resources available on this site to help you learn, which will hopefully save you some grief in the future.

You don't have to go through "thousands of threads"; the comments on Signing Central would be more than sufficient to help you. That's why it was created.

Had you used SC to check out the company initially, you wouldn't be having this issue.

Reply by Jacqueline Williams on 2/24/10 12:57pm
Msg #324082

Re: Treat people the way you want to be treated!

I don't see it being a issue! All I ask was a question either they are bad or good, you heard of it or not. All the other what I need to do or breaking others down so that you can look smart was not necessary. You know I don't treat people like that. I rather be helpful and polite than to be a smart a-- . I have read where you guys have treated too many people like this. It does not make any sense. I know someone answer your questions and I am sure you were not treated the way you choose to treat others.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 2/24/10 1:06pm
Msg #324087

Re: Treat people the way you want to be treated!

Jacqueline -- drop the defensive attitude. Seriously. We're trying to help you! The others are trying to point out to you that there are VALUABLE resources here that can help you in the future. The search button and Signing Central are both essential tools.... and if you want to become a better business person in this industry, you need to learn how to do a little bit of due diligence before taking an assignment. Just one quick search here back in December would have told you to avoid SOX like it were the worst communicable disease imaginable. Chances are high you'll never get paid. There's your answer -- you might as well prepare the small claims paperwork now.

Reply by desktopfull on 2/24/10 9:00pm
Msg #324197

Re: Treat people the way you want to be treated!

"... You know I don't treat people like that. I rather be helpful and polite than to be a smart a--"

Really! Then why were you the only one being rude? Look at your 2nd post in this thread.

Reply by Treasure Valley Notary - Tina on 2/24/10 12:54pm
Msg #324080

It's Time To Think Like A Business Person

First off, no one was being "mean" to you. It's time for you to grow out of the employee attitude and into the business owner attitude. This is a website for "Professional Notaries". You are right that at some point we were all new to being a notary, but that doesn't mean we were new to running a business.

You are self-employed, which means you do not get a payroll check. The Small Business Administration can help you learn about running a business if you don't have the proper background. This site is for notaries and loan signing agents to discuss business matters, not to make sure that everyone gets along. And as to the BBB, membership is a totally different level than here. They are paid to tell you how good a business is or isn't. They police their members and drop those who don't live up to the standards that they agreed to when they joined the BBB. Here you are asking for someone to do your homework for you. And then you whine when you don't get the answer you want.

More than likely you will take a loss with the job performed with SOX. Chalk it up to a "real life" learning degree. It is part of doing business at one time or another.

Good luck to you. While things are so slow it is a great time to learn more about running a business.

Reply by Jacqueline Williams on 2/24/10 1:09pm
Msg #324089

Re: It's Time To Think Like A Business Person

Again I know my job. Who are you to talk. You think the way you dog new notaries out on this site is professional? Then you need to think again! The same goes out to you if I want to call it a check or paycheck thats my business. Who makes you right? No I did not ask you to do my work. I ask a question which could have been yes or no, good or bad. All the other is unnecessary. You need to go back to running what you call a Professional Business with your Business Owner Attitude. I will use you as my footstool.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 2/24/10 1:16pm
Msg #324097

Re: It's Time To Think Like A Business Person

"The same goes out to you if I want to call it a check or paycheck thats my business."

Actually... I'd like to hear you say that to the IRS.

Jaqueline, it does matter. We're trying to help you see the difference between the two. If you're going to be stubborn about it... great, you're right, that's your call. But it's that kind of attitude that gets you to take jobs from the company that is probably the #1 worst signing service. If you know how to look up information, you should have done it. You said you've been in this business for "many years" -- and you didn't know their reputation?

That just makes you look like a really poor businessperson. You aren't using proper terminology, you're taking work from a company that will never pay you and you're upset with us for trying to help?

Good luck and all that.

Reply by Notarysigner on 2/24/10 1:22pm
Msg #324099

Jacqueline, pls check SC before taking assigment n/m

Reply by Vince/KS on 2/24/10 1:23pm
Msg #324100

Re: It's Time To Think Like A Business Person

Jacqueline, You mentioned that you are in business and also referenced the BBB. You may find the BBB report on this company interesting. It is available at: http://www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/Sox-Signing-Solutions-13134410.

You will find many comments here and elsewhere about the payment record of this company. It is an important lesson that you have learned regarding this company and the importance of checking out the possibility of non-payment or simply knowing more about any of the various companies that you intend to extend credit to. Eventually, you may find the assistance available here is very worthwhile. Eventually you may come to view comments made on this forum as refreshingly candid and honest, intending to help those that are interested. If you are not interested in direct help, simply do the research here or elsewhere and be thankful that others have paid a price before you.

Reply by Notarysigner on 2/24/10 2:49pm
Msg #324121

Thanks Vince I check it out and

After reading that information NO ONE should take work from them. I also read about a few others and managed to file a compliant myself! Thanks.

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 2/24/10 2:53pm
Msg #324122

If you think that we're tough on you

wait until you meet some of the borrowers you will come across if you stay with this business. ALL business people MUST develop a Thick skin or you will be finished before you start. All of the advice you received here was meant to HELP you not HURT you, but because we didn't lay down and cry with you about how mean SOX is to you, you got all upset.

Reply by jba/fl on 2/24/10 5:43pm
Msg #324161

You are going to need a footstool after stabbing yourself in

the foot so many times....LOL.

Honey, you can treat me like that too - that's ok. Now dry your tears, take a deep breath and look this problem right square in the eye.

We have all heard of SOX. After you send your invoice to them, following their instructions to the "T", expect to have many cups of tea as the months drag on. This company may pay you, but I don't think any of us have heard of anyone being paid since 2005. This is the type of thing that SOX does all the time: they hire people who are just starting out in this business, get them to do a job or two, which if they are running out of people in your area and have more work, then you get paid. Then, when all that other business comes, they will load you up with 3-10 orders, always being very nice to you because they want something, then they will ignore you from then on out, leaving you will a very large accounts receivable. By then, the notary companies who train people this business will have taught a few more in your area, and SOX no longer needs you. This is SOX aka Sign on the X and their business plan.

Don't let these people upset you - develop a thicker skin.

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 2/24/10 1:33pm
Msg #324104

Re: You have been in this biz for many years and have

never heard of SOX's reputation?

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 2/25/10 12:22pm
Msg #324237

Re: Treat people the way you want to be treated!

" I have been in the business for many years. I do not need a refresher or a class on how to do this job or to look up info"

So, the question begs to be asked. If you know how to look up info, how come you didn't look up the info on SOX prior to accepting the signing??
Those who have been in this business many years know all about SOX's reputation, it has been posted ad nauseum on all notary message boards as far back as I can remember - which is really far back!

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 2/24/10 12:24pm
Msg #324065

Linked for your reference....click on your original post

then the blue box marked "link" - will take you to their profile and a listing of all the threads about this company....read...

Make it a habit to check SC for all calls you get til you get familiar with the companies - it's obvious you're new to the business or you would not have to ask this question...

Good Luck.

Reply by CopperheadVA on 2/24/10 12:32pm
Msg #324067

Jacqueline, this company likes to prey on new notaries who are not aware of their reputation. If they are only into you for one closing, you are actually quite lucky they didn't book you for a lot more before you realized what was going on. In addition to checking Signing Central on this website as others have advised, also use the orange search button on the "Notary Talk" page and do a search for SOX.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 2/24/10 1:01pm
Msg #324084

Payroll???

Okay, I'm not being rude here.... just blunt.

You said you've been doing this "for years" and you haven't heard of this company? Jaqueline, if you EVER get paid from SOX, you'll be one of the lucky ones. Most of us don't even bother taking their calls -- they are VERY well known in this industry as being deadbeats. They make a lot of promises, but rarely follow through. They have a LOOOOOONG laundry list of small claims cases against them in Orange County, CA for contract violations... and just over a year ago, their accounts manager failed to show up in court and was issued a bench warrant. Last time I checked, it was still active... but I haven't checked in a while.

Finally... "payroll"?? Yes, the terminology you use DOES matter. Payroll is for employees... not independent contractors and businesses. You are NOT on their payroll. You invoices are part of their accounts payable. There is a HUGE difference... and if you don't understand that, you shouldn't be *in* business for yourself.

I just find it hard to believe you've been in this industry "for years" and hadn't heard of these people.

Reply by Charles_Ca on 2/24/10 1:07pm
Msg #324088

Appears to me this lesson is well deserved...

judging from the OPs posts here. Experience can be a harsh teacher! Some people only learn the hard way however!

Reply by BossLadyMD on 2/24/10 1:18pm
Msg #324098

jacqueline is right to feel offended

"the check you are waiting for is called Accounts Receiveable NOT A PAYCHECK. Untill you understand the difference between the two, you will continue to have problems. This is a business we're in, we are NOT employees so stop thinking like one"
from Dororty WI

I understand all points here but that was a little harsh. People get on here everyday ranting and raving about companies NOT sending them a check or saying that I have not been paid. It's a matter of semantics. We don't have to be snotty towards one another. If I were Jacqueline, I would have certainly been offended too.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 2/24/10 1:32pm
Msg #324102

Re: jacqueline is right to feel offended

There was nothing in that, I think, that was offensive. This is business... not community soccer for 5-year-olds where everyone gets a trophy for participating. Small businesses fail all the time for reasons just like this -- their owners don't bother taking the time to learn how to actually operate a business.

It's fine to post and say, "I got suckered by SOX...." and yeah.... chances are high people are going to laugh at you. Consider a lesson learned -- but it's a lesson that you should learn as a brand new rookie, not someone who... as she claims, has been doing this "for many years".

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 2/24/10 1:24pm
Msg #324101

Touchy touchy

Jacqueline: Aside from being in complete shock that anyone would actually work for SOX, I can emphatically say that you got off WAAAAY easy - big time easy - regarding your post. None of those who replied to you was being rude - you don't know rude on this board if you got your knickers all in a twist over what were several helpful and informative comments applicable to your situation - especially considering your apparent naivete about this business. Your hide needs to thicken up big time (OK maybe that is rude, but it's also being helpful) if you're going to come on this site, admit you worked for SOX, wonder why you're not getting paid and then blast those who responded in a constructive way. Yikes!

Reply by BossLadyMD on 2/24/10 1:42pm
Msg #324107

be informative, not sarcastic

we can be informative and even enlightening, but we dont have to be rude. i have pretty thick skin and i have witnessed numerous bashing on this board (it's not everyone, it's a small group of about 7 holier than thou (OK maybe that was rude, but very helpful) who cant wait to give somebody a piece of their mind for being new, dumb, asking a question, not sure how to navigate the site, anything - you name it. we are not going to agree on this and that's fine with me. just remember we can be tactful in our dialogue since this is the professional notary brother and sisterhood!

Reply by Notarysigner on 2/24/10 2:02pm
Msg #324112

Re: be informative, not sarcastic

Each one of us can do something about this.

A lot of times people will confront someone else because it is a convenient way of releasing pent of feelings.IMO We don't want to hurt our loved ones or kick our pets when it's much easier to do it to someone you have no feelings for.

If we think about why we do these certain things before we do them, it will be a lot easier to let er blow. again IMO.

Reply by MichiganAl on 2/24/10 2:42pm
Msg #324119

Re: be informative, not sarcastic

Sorry, all I see when I read this thread is that someone asked a questioned, didn't get the exact answer handed to her as she wanted, and proceeded to stomp her feet and pout. I thought she got the perfect answer, do a quick search and you'll find 10,000 threads about SOX. There's nothing wrong with showing someone how to find the answer instead of just giving it to them. As a businessperson, you should be thrilled that someone gave you some great advice on how to find the answer yourself. It really is the difference between an employee mentality and a business owner mentality.

You reach you're hand out to help someone and they swat at it. It gets tiresome.

Reply by Tess on 2/24/10 2:58pm
Msg #324124

Re: I know, SSDD!! n/m

Reply by Roger_OH on 2/24/10 3:19pm
Msg #324128

Right on, Alex...

There's nothing we can do, that will overcome what Jackie will not do.

Reply by Jack/AL on 2/24/10 9:21pm
Msg #324203

Re: Right on, Alex...

Ya'll behave..........

Reply by BossLadyMD on 2/25/10 10:22am
Msg #324225

the delivery of the info WAS RUDE

the information given to jacqueline was on point. as a fellow business owner, i couldnt agree more. the problem was the delivery. you all can take sides or camps or whatever you want but shouting STOP THINKING LIKE AN EMPLOYEE, YOU ARE NOT ONE, etc, etc, was akin to a parent speaking to a child. the delivery of the info was rude and everyone who has read this post knows it. i would have simply typed something along the lines of "jacqueline, SOX has a long standing history of not paying its contractors. there is an orange search button on this website, check there before accepting future jobs and take what you read there with a grain of salt because it is someone else's interpretation of a SS company. call or email SOX and dont give up, sue if you must or write it off as a lost. good luck and welcome aboard!"

The End!

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 2/25/10 12:51pm
Msg #324240

Re: the delivery of the info WAS RUDE

I just re-read the thread. No-one shouted at Jacqueline.
"Stop thinking like an employee, you are not one" was never posted all in caps (which would have been shouting).
If Jacqueline is as experienced as she makes out to be (says she has been doing this for many years), then she would have known Sox's reputation.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 2/25/10 4:49pm
Msg #324274

it was rude minus the CAPS

the words were rude and offensive. but you already know that.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 2/25/10 5:50pm
Msg #324284

Re: it was rude minus the CAPS

Sorry - but I didn't find the words to be rude and offensive.
If someone believes that what a signing agent is paid is a paycheck, then they obviously have an employee mentality. A paycheck is what an employer pays an employee.

I am wondering where all the momo's are coming from lately!!!

Reply by BossLadyMD on 2/25/10 7:31pm
Msg #324301

u must to have the last word, so go for it :)

i'll be glad when things pick back up (yawn)

Reply by BossLadyMD on 2/25/10 7:33pm
Msg #324302

u must have the last word (spellcheck - there you go!) :) n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 2/25/10 12:43pm
Msg #324239

Re: Touchy touchy - Goldgirl

" knickers all in a twist "

Gracious! Haven't heard that expression in years! Where are you from GoldGirl???