Posted by Robert/FL on 1/16/10 7:38am
Msg #318216

Usage of Notarial Verbage

I'm posting this for reference only - This is applicable in Florida and I don't know about other states.

1. The notary *takes* the acknowledgment; the signer/"acknowledger" *makes* or *gives* the acknowledgment.

2. The notary *takes* an affidavit; the signer/"affiant" *makes* an affidavit.

3. The notary *administers* the oath; the "deponent" *takes* the oath.

Also - in Florida, depositions are not taken *by* notaries; they are taken *BEFORE* notaries. (Fla. R. Civ. P. 1.300). Depositions are typically taken *by* attorneys. The person being sworn is the *deponent*.

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 9:15am
Msg #318223

ok ? ? n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 9:37am
Msg #318228

I believe most notaries on here are experienced enough to know the notarial verbage.
I don't understand why you feel you need to post this, unless it is to show us your "knowledge" of notarial verbage.

Reply by MW/VA on 1/16/10 9:39am
Msg #318231

Guess we're supposed to be impressed.

Reply by Robert/FL on 1/16/10 9:41am
Msg #318232

I would hope that most FL notaries know the requirements for certificate wording, and yet you felt the need to post them at message #31602, Sylvia.

I posted this information because the verbage is frequently misused and I posted it for reference so that future searchers can find it. Heaven forbid we actually have a thread on this board related to notarial procedure as opposed to loan doc crap.

Please Sylvia, it was nice not having you around these past few months. Go back to where you came from.

Reply by HARRY_PA on 1/16/10 9:46am
Msg #318234

Robert:

It appears that you post for the pleasure of verbal self satisfaction. It is not necessary to disparage other posters. This is not Facebook.

Haarry

Reply by HARRY_PA on 1/16/10 9:46am
Msg #318236

Harry

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 1/16/10 9:49am
Msg #318237

Touche' n/m

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 9:46am
Msg #318235

Oh boy....big mistake Robert...good grief... n/m

Reply by hp/MD on 1/16/10 9:53am
Msg #318238

Re: Oh boy....big mistake Robert...good grief...

Robert, everyone is going to remember now. Don't mess with the chiefs.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 9:59am
Msg #318240

Re: Oh boy....big mistake Robert...good grief...

Looks like Robert's profile no longer exists. Maybe he went back where he came from. Pity, he could learn a lot from the experienced notaries on this forum.

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 10:05am
Msg #318242

Another hit and run artist? Well, not artist for sure! n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 10:06am
Msg #318243

He doesn't want to learn our "crap", only pontificate.

What a piece of $hit that needs to be picked up out of the yard and disposed of properly.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 10:08am
Msg #318244

Wonder how many of us he reported before he hit

the delete button - if in fact he DID delete himself...maybe it was an administration thing? That would be nice...

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 10:14am
Msg #318246

That cowardly lion roared in the wrong place. n/m

Reply by MikeC/NY on 1/16/10 6:36pm
Msg #318295

Here we go again.... n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 9:57am
Msg #318239

Robert,
Since you are not (in Judge Judy's words) fully cooked yet, I will explain why I posted message 31602.

As the owner of a well established signing service I hire notaries to do loan signings. I noticed that many notaries were not filling out the certificates correctly. Not all elements were present. If the element was not preprinted on the certificate, then the notary was not adding it. I even had one notary tell me she could not add anything to the certificate that was preprinted on the docs as it would be UPL.

What purpose your message served I fail to understand. Maybe you should sit back and read the board more and post when you are more fully cooked.

Maybe you are intending to "wow" us with your reading of all those 'laws" you keep referencing.

Oh - incidentally, I am a certified notary instructor in the State of Florida.

Reply by Cari on 1/16/10 10:47am
Msg #318253

OMG...ur an a$$! n/m

Reply by Cari on 1/16/10 10:48am
Msg #318254

directed of course to the original poster..Robert... n/m

Reply by Vince/KS on 1/16/10 11:03am
Msg #318257

Hope this is not deleted - perhaps some day he'll regret

this attitude.

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 1/16/10 12:46pm
Msg #318265

I personally don't see anything wrong with the original post. It falls well within the rules and guidelines. And I disagree that it is something many already know. And so what if it is?--it certainly wouldn't be the first time something is repeated.

Reply by MT/IL on 1/16/10 10:22am
Msg #318249

Why bash a guy for trying to help others who may not know the verbage? He states that it is for reference only. Give a break for trying to assist others who may need it. Not everyone has a lot of experience under their belt. There are beginners who post.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 10:02am
Msg #318241

Well... I just told someone yesterday we were overdue

for a big "discussion" (a/k/a fight) on this board....thanks for providing the fodder and proving me right...

And for the record...it is my VERY humble opinion that Sylvia and all she contributes to this forum WAS missed during her absence DUE TO HER INJURY....you and your mouth, on the other hand, were not (said as incredibly politely as I can right now)..

MHO

Reply by Roger_OH on 1/16/10 10:38am
Msg #318251

Dude, at least spell "Verbiage" right... n/m

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 10:46am
Msg #318252

What do you expect from someone who

cites the Governor's office and spells our Governor's name wrong?

Reply by Notarysigner on 1/16/10 11:50am
Msg #318260

Re: What do you expect lighten up all......Go Sylvia!

..Kids know everYthing, young adults question everything, middle age listen to everything and well, OMG he's running for Governor. Did he last three weeks? LOL

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 1/16/10 2:55pm
Msg #318276

"Sorry, that profile no longer exists"

Referring to Robert's profile... did he cancel his account?

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 3:11pm
Msg #318278

It appears that way, Marian..

unless it was removed for him...

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 1/16/10 3:13pm
Msg #318280

Of all the people to attack. *sigh* n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 3:24pm
Msg #318282

Re: It appears that way, Marian..

I doubt that anyone on the NotRot staff would have removed his profile. Robert's post was mild compared to what others have posted in the past. Just take into account the fact that Robert is only 19 and we all know what teenagers are like when they are challenged

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 1/16/10 3:33pm
Msg #318284

Re: It appears that way, Marian..

Sylvia, it's not just teenagers. I think we're all that way. Although.... yeah, as a teenager I could do no wrong and everyone else was full of it. I remember those days, barely.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 3:45pm
Msg #318287

Re: It appears that way, Marian..

"I remember those days, barely"

barely??? Marian, I looked at your profile pic, and I'd swear it was not long ago that you were a teenager

Incidentally, Robert's resume is here:

http://www.deadendinternet.com/weddings/resume.pdf

I didn't know the Universal Life Church was a monastery

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 4:32pm
Msg #318288

As referenced earlier, needs some proofreading/corrections

Govenor's name not spelled correctly here either.

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 1/16/10 4:34pm
Msg #318289

Re: It appears that way, Marian..

I don't see the need to post the link or what you're out to accomplish by posting Robert's resume. So what if he's 18 or 96? I guess it has become pretty SOP on NotRot though -- Robert's not the first newcomer that posted something that could have turned into a pretty good thread, or ignored for that matter -- but instead, he's strung up around the flag pole. I certainly don't blame his choice to remove his profile.

Reply by MikeC/NY on 1/16/10 7:14pm
Msg #318296

What you may not know is...

... this was his second time through NotRot.

The first time he left skid marks when he entered because he thought this should be a forum dedicated to general notary work only rather than the "loan doc crap" most folks here are interested in discussing. He managed to insult and alienate just about everyone here before he took his ball and went home. Sylvia is spot on with her assessment of him; he's too young to realize how much he doesn't know, or to understand how irrelevant the stuff he *does* know is...

This second time, he started off a little slower and some people actually remarked about the difference in his approach. Unfortunately, his participation eventually devolved to the same nonsense as the first time, and when the regulars here pushed back it ended the same way - he took his ball and went home.

This guy is not a newcomer - he's just a serial PITA. He believes that he knows more than people with more years of experience than he's had on earth, and when he's challenged he runs and hides under the bed. He'll probably be back in about 6 months, and we'll go through this nonsense all over again.

Reply by Carolyn Bodley on 1/17/10 8:23pm
Msg #318342

Re: What you may not know is...

I seldom read or post anymore because I just can't stand the drama. With that said, I still believe that everyone has a right to post. While the stab at Sylvia was unnecessary, posting the link to his resume was just as unnecessary.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 1/16/10 5:32pm
Msg #318293

LOL!!! Long enough...

Okay, maybe not as long as others. But, I'll be 35 tomorrow... and I'm feeling oldish.

(I know, I know... I'm still a baby!)

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 6:07pm
Msg #318294

Re: LOL!!! Long enough...

"But, I'll be 35 tomorrow... and I'm feeling oldish.

(I know, I know... I'm still a baby!)"

I hate to admit this Marian, but my "baby" is older than you are (but don't tell anyone )

Have a Happy Birthday tomorrow

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 3:11pm
Msg #318279

It appears that way, Marian..

unless it was removed for him...

Reply by MW/VA on 1/16/10 7:35pm
Msg #318297

He's done this before on this forum. I watch his posts & believe he is here as an antagonist.
He's disappeared before, lays low, and shows up again. Obviously, his remarks to Sylvia shows the childishness we've seen before.

Reply by JAM/CA on 1/16/10 7:52pm
Msg #318298

"Verbiage" n/m

Reply by JanetK_CA on 1/16/10 7:53pm
Msg #318299

A little "devil's advocate"?

I wasn't sure where to post this, so I'm just putting it here. In all fairness, I think there's a chance that most of the posts here are reacting to Robert's style and the attitude he's shown from time to time - not the actual post itself. On the face of it - especially in comparison to some things we've seen here - I didn't think this post was all that bad - or inappropriate. Lord knows, some of us have posted somewhat similar notary grammar and spelling lessons before (like the fact that it is "notary" not "notory", as I saw somewhere yesterday).

Robert, it very well may be that you posted this with the best of intentions. However, even though we see some less than brilliant sounding posts here from time to time, that doesn't mean that the majority of people here are mental midgets - by a long shot. A reasonable dose of respect towards others can go a long way towards earning their respect for you. (And you blew it by going after Sylvia. She's been helping people on this board at least since you were an adolescent... Not too smart!)

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 1/16/10 8:10pm
Msg #318300

Re: A little "devil's advocate"?

I agree with Janet. I get Robert's intention with his post. Goodness knows that a LOT of people read here that never post and the information may be helpful.

Attacking Sylvia was poor form.

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 9:35pm
Msg #318313

I'm going to disagree with your assessment of his intentions

After his last bout and his subsequent return, I saw a difference in his approach and even complimented him upon his new found maturity. All was fine, but then I have noticed a downward spiral in the past couple of weeks. I also have seen his postings on another site and my conclusions are that he is now devolving into his same pattern of nitpicking every little aspect of notary law, especially in Florida, where we are located.

He wants to rewrite FL law so that he will no longer have to comply with some of the rules. OK - fine, and some of these rules may be a PITA, but they are what we have right now and we comply because that is what is expected of us. There is a constant refrain: "But other people aren't...." It has been pointed out to him that it doesn't matter what others do, what is important is what you know to be true and that you comply, like it or not. Some of what he wants to change is there for a good reason, and the reasons have been cited by others attempting to inject reasonable arguments. His rebuttal is to say in 1992 it was done a different way and then to cast aspersions on others for their lack of understanding history and the historical aspect.

What happened in 1992 was somehow felt by the lawmakers to be insufficient as the one rule in particular that I am thinking of that was changed is, in my mind and manner of thinking, to be a very necessary change. It was that the notary must now print or type or stamp their name under the signature line and the mere stamping of their notary stamp was not sufficient. Personally, I find it somewhat redundant, but I can comply easily enough, and I do understand what the lawmakers or rule changers are attempting to do with this change.

But, I digress. He is attempting to teach us all about all the obscure, the no longer practiced, archaic aspects of being a notary. He is talking down from his position of new-found knowledge, constantly challenging every little snippet. One finally reaches the point of just trying to ignore this, like a child constantly begging to not have to brush his teeth before bed because of (insert anything you like for reason - any parent can fill in this blank with some sort of illogical reasoning as to why tomorrow would be better.)

Now, we have respite as he has 'left the building'. Whew!

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 1/16/10 10:31pm
Msg #318321

Re: I'm going to disagree with your assessment of his intentions

That actually makes a lot of sense. I guess I've kind of glossed over a lot of his stuff in the past and I forgot about his previous departure.

I've always found it amusing that, at 19, he offers marital counseling.

Reply by BrendaTx on 1/17/10 3:44pm
Msg #318333

Ditto, Marian.

Robert seemed to really be trying to be helpful...imho...but telling Sylvia what he did was less than endearing.

Sometimes I think that we kind of "react" to what we are dealing with in real life and then we post about it.

Reply by Les_CO on 1/16/10 9:23pm
Msg #318310

Just musing about posts…and a quick comment about our collective interests. The most commentated on post for 2010 so far has been “Fax Backs” the second “Just a notary” the third “ Notarial Verbage” (sic) seems Robert for whatever his intentions were, got a lot of response?

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 1/16/10 9:38pm
Msg #318314

LOL Les - he would have gotten a lot more if he'd stuck

around for the party...

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 9:40pm
Msg #318315

So his inner child was screaming 'see me'? n/m

Reply by Les_CO on 1/16/10 9:54pm
Msg #318316

Re: So his inner child was screaming 'see me'?

Yes, and yes!
May I say that as far as Sylvia is concerned, I’m her biggest fan! Several years back I found myself in a difficult (moral) situation regarding a signing. I called her for guidance. She gave me advice I followed, and because of that advice I now sleep with a clear conscience. Thank you Sylvia! Angles really with are with you.
(But if we keep this up ‘this’ will be the most commented post of 2010…Roger will be so, so very pleased.)

Reply by jba/fl on 1/16/10 10:07pm
Msg #318317

why Roger? n/m

Reply by Les_CO on 1/16/10 10:10pm
Msg #318318

Sorry! Not "Roger". Meant to say: "Robert/FL" n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 1/16/10 10:21pm
Msg #318319

Re: So his inner child was screaming 'see me'?

thanks Les

I sure wish my friend Sen Howard Futch was still around. he helped write the current Florida notary laws and he would have been really interested in "debating" Robert's posts. Alas he died a little over 6 years ago.

Reply by Les_CO on 1/16/10 10:26pm
Msg #318320

Re: So his inner child was screaming 'see me'?

You are most welcome Sylvia! I'm grateful and obliged. Thanks again!