Posted by Negrete on 3/22/10 5:41pm
Msg #328428

Please explain this to me.

First off, go ahead and blast me if you want to, or feel that you must.
Please don't blast me for this, I just had to vent here for a minute.

I see on here all the time where this company is low-balling, and that company is paying in 60 days (or longer sometimes) yet the NSA's are still taking closings from these companies. I just don not understand this mentality.

Why you do this, I do not know. "Disclaimer " (This is not directed at any one person.)

If it is a SS, call the TC that the SS is working for and tell them that the SS they are using is not paying you. ( after enough calls, they will quit using that SS) ( Disclaimer : this is not advertising for me or any other SS) Then call your favorite SS, and there are some good one left out there, and tell them that so ans so SS is not paying you and you want them to call the TC and see if they can get the work from them. Maybe you will at least get paid a fare fee and on time. Like maybe 30 days or less.

If it is a TC, I can understand that you realy do not have a lot of people to call to complain to or options, that is when I would just say no.

Anthony J Negrete
419-524-1600

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/22/10 6:04pm
Msg #328435

"Then call your favorite SS, and there are some good one left out there, and tell them that so ans so SS is not paying you and you want them to call the TC and see if they can get the work from them."

This is really bad advice. What you're suggesting is that the notary should actively try to interfere with a contract between two other parties - that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Reply by Negrete on 3/22/10 6:34pm
Msg #328443

What you're suggesting is that the notary should actively try to interfere with a contract between two other parties - that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.


Not so true, ask notarysigner if he won or lost his case in CA, than ask him if the judge laughed at the contract.

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/22/10 7:06pm
Msg #328451

"Not so true, ask notarysigner if he won or lost his case in CA, than ask him if the judge laughed at the contract."

James did NOT interfere with the contract between the TC and the SS - he contacted the TC for help in getting paid, and the TC apparently decided unilaterally to drop the SS (perhaps they had received other complaints). That was James' argument all along, and the judge agreed with him. The judge didn't laugh at the contract between the TC and the SS - if he was laughing at anything, it was what the SS was insisting that James had to sign; it had nothing to do with he agreement between the TC and the SS. Go back and read the thread again.

What you're suggesting is deliberate and intentional interference by a third party attempting to break a contract between two other parties - that's a whole other can of worms, and anyone foolish enough to try it probably WOULD get sued (and rightfully so) for pulling a stunt like that.

I agree with your suggestion about calling the TC for help in getting payment, but the other part is way over the line, IMO. It might also be self-serving on your part, because you're suggesting they call the "good" SS, but are careful to state you're not saying they should call you specifically, wink-wink, nudge-nudge...

Reply by Notarysigner on 3/22/10 7:58pm
Msg #328465

Mike is correct, what the TC did was their decision although I must be honest and say I already knew what the end result would be and the reason why. Complaints about not being paid by the SS directly affect TC.

Reply by CopperheadVA on 3/22/10 6:51pm
Msg #328449

I can't explain it, as I have no clue why people continue to work for deadbeat companies. I will not work for deadbeats even if they offer upfront payment through PayPal. I do not have any delinquent open invoices because I check out every company right here on NotRot, and I don't accept work from companies who have a bad rep.

Reply by BrendaTx on 3/22/10 6:55pm
Msg #328450

Re: Please explain this to me....OR...

*Then call your favorite SS, and there are some good one left out there, and tell them that so ans so SS is not paying you and you want them to call the TC and see if they can get the work from them. *

OR...

You could form a statewide network and get the business yourself and not have to share fees with a signing service. Just a thought, you know...

Reply by LisaWI on 3/22/10 7:45pm
Msg #328460

Re: Please explain this to me....OR...Hehe

Go Brenda, go Brenda, raw, raw, raw!

Reply by BrendaTx on 3/22/10 7:53pm
Msg #328464

Networks can work well in the right situation.

If my friend, DR, has her way, the Texas NSA Network will be resuming its marketing and be re-established stronger than ever...and they will look for niche work where networks and title companies can deal directly with one another.

Like I said, it's just a thought.

Reply by Notarysigner on 3/22/10 8:06pm
Msg #328467

Re: Networks can work well in the right situation.

I can see it.....sort of like the "shout down line" the auto dismantlers use. Pick up the speaker, "anybody out there got a left finder for a 57 chevy"? " Yea, I got one but I'm 50 miles away so If they want it come a get it"! No middle man.

Reply by MW/VA on 3/22/10 7:33pm
Msg #328458

I don't think anyone will ever really be able to explain why

this industry works the way it does. How are companies like SOX or ND still in business?
They wouldn't be by my participaton, that's for sure. I'm super cautious who I take work from.
None of us can work for free.

Reply by LKT/CA on 3/22/10 8:05pm
Msg #328466

<<<If it is a TC, I can understand that you realy do not have a lot of people to call to complain to or options, that is when I would just say no.>>>

Title Insurance companies are regulated by the state insurance commissioner. One most certainly can file a complaint with such - not only for direct non-payment but also if the TC continues to turn a blind eye when their vendor is not paying its subcontractors.

<<<I see on here all the time where this company is low-balling, and that company is paying in 60 days (or longer sometimes) yet the NSA's are still taking closings from these companies. I just don not understand this mentality. Why you do this, I do not know.>>>

IMHO, it is because the notary has an employee mentality and no business acumen. They do not know the true cost of doing business (to include the value of their time and/or expertise). Many are under the mistaken notion that they must accept low fees in order to gain loan signing experience. They do not have a business plan and don't see their business as a profession but a hobby to make "shopping money".

Reply by Grammyzoom on 3/22/10 9:00pm
Msg #328475

My two cents...

We need to stick together...

I will take a signing appointment from anyone who calls me and offers to pay my fee. If I then check them out on Notrot and see they are flakes I will call them back and tell them exactly why I have decided not to take the signing.

My fee is my fee and if it means I turn down a bunch of signings from companies who try to lowball me so be it. As LKT stated, the notaries out there who are taking these $50 and $60 signings are for the most part not professionally equipped, nor do they have the mentality it takes to be successful in this business. As long as we stick to our guns the people hiring the incompetent notaries will eventually understand the phrase "You get what you pay for".

With regards to new notaries, if they have been well trained and have a support systen, there is no reason for them to cut their fees while they get more experience. We need to set the bar and stand our ground. This slow phase will pass eventually and our value as professionals will surface once again.

Reply by Claudine Osborne on 3/22/10 10:02pm
Msg #328483

Re: My two cents...

I agree with Grammy..Some of these companies will hire a newbie for a few jobs before the newbie knows what this company is like and by then its too late. We must say no and stand our ground. If this means I don't do any closings today so be it. The hope is that when this mess turns around the good experienced people will once again be in demand.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 3/22/10 11:06pm
Msg #328488

Yes. "The good and experienced people..." will survive,

and our value will prevail.

It's the way of successful Commerce.

The fly-by-nights, the 'I have a SS, so I need a Jaguar and a SeaCruiser', the I can 'shop til I drop whether at the Mall or the Golf Store', the losers who did it wrong and ruined tons of opportunities - they'll come and go. Same with the sleezebaggers who did the High Financial Hocus-Pocus, they'll fall too.

We full-timers, at least I do, do what is in our best interests, and are up-front with callers. I sure wouldn't want to try to start a SS - unless I had adequate capital and a really good business plan.

I suggest that would be for newbie full-timers as well.

Grammy nailed it, and you added a great punctuation.

Reply by Laura_V on 3/23/10 9:03am
Msg #328501

OT - Negrete: are you helping Roger with Ohio Society of Not

Negrete: are you helping Roger with Ohio Society of Notaries?

He is putting a true non-profit trade association for OH notaries there. OSN will be wonderful for you lucky OH notaries.

Reply by Negrete on 3/23/10 9:10am
Msg #328504

Roger has not invited me yet.

I would be glad to help if I can.

Reply by Claudine Osborne on 3/23/10 9:14am
Msg #328505

Re: Roger has not invited me yet.

The OSN will be a wonderful asset to Ohio Notaries..We will be working with state lawmakers to help change our antiquated notary laws and hope to implement so sort of training for new notaries. Currently we do not have training!

I am a founding board member..Looking forward to doing good things in Ohio!

Reply by Laura_V on 3/24/10 9:58am
Msg #328714

Good on you, Claudine, for helping Roger!

No wonder you got national recognition in 2008!


I've been helping Roger in an odd way.

I keep coming up with marketing ideas.

The odd part: I keep giving him ideas for MORE work he can do - like he doesn't have enough already!

Reply by Laura_V on 3/24/10 9:55am
Msg #328713

Why don't you just volunteer and ask what he needs? n/m

Reply by CaliNotary on 3/23/10 1:42pm
Msg #328563

Is it just me

Or does anyone else see this as a subtle way of trying to get us to start soliciting new clients for him?

Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/23/10 2:38pm
Msg #328587

It's not just you n/m