Posted by meganPA on 5/19/10 1:48pm
Msg #337161
Having payment overnighted
I recently accepted a closing for Express Closings out of Cleveland OH. After checking out Not Rot and looking up their history, I declined the closing. I said the only way I could do it was if I was listed on the HUD. This was not possible. The SS didn't want to have to go find another notary, so together we came up with the following remedy: They overnighted me payment. And not after rescission, either. The check was in my hands the next day before I even left my house to drop the package. This was a few weeks ago, and I'm happy to report the check has cleared.
So I'm posting my experience as a possible option for those reluctant to accept a closing from certain companies. If deadbeat companies want to stay in business and get notaries to take a chance on them, they have to be willing to work with us.
And, for those wondering, the SS did not ask me to post this thread.
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Reply by SheilaSJCA on 5/19/10 2:05pm
Msg #337169
Thanks for keeping another deadbeat alive so they can screw
the rest of us. If deadbeats want to stay in business, all they need are willing participants like you.
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Reply by meganPA on 5/19/10 2:09pm
Msg #337173
Re: Thanks for keeping another deadbeat alive so they can screw
Actually Sheila, I wasn't screwed over if you read my post. I take precautions so that never happens. If you don't take those precautions, well, that is not my problem, it's yours.
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Reply by SheilaSJCA on 5/19/10 2:20pm
Msg #337179
Megan you are missing my point
I agree, you were not screwed over, but you are assisting them in the screwing they do! I consider you to be aiding and abetting the deabeats, when you are willing to put money in your pockets that should be going to the unpaid notaries on their books.
You think you are savy for getting them to pay you up front. This only enables the deadbeats to proceed with business as usual, and to screw around with the next notary they encounter. Once a deadbeat, always a deadbeat.
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Reply by meganPA on 5/19/10 2:39pm
Msg #337182
Re: Megan you are missing my point
I do not think I am "savvy" for being paid upfront. I just would not have accepted the closing otherwise. I do fully agree with you that we all have to stick together, however, at the end of the day, are you not in business for yourself? Each and every one of us decides which closings to take, which ones to decline and which ones to take a chance on. The point of my post was to share my experience with this particular company with other notaries.
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Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 5/19/10 2:43pm
Msg #337186
I agree with you Megan.
You are savvy. If you didn't take it, somebody not as smart as you would have been screwed.
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Reply by Heather/NH on 5/19/10 3:09pm
Msg #337199
Well said Megan! n/m
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Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/19/10 3:49pm
Msg #337212
Re: Megan you are missing my point
"I do not think I am "savvy" for being paid upfront"
But, you said you got the check the next day before you dropped off the docs - but to be paid "upfront" you would have been paid prior to the closing.
So, you did the closing, and what would you have done if you hadn't received the check the next day???
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Reply by John/CT on 5/19/10 4:22pm
Msg #337217
Opps ... hold the dox hostage until paid?
Not a good thing. 
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Reply by meganPA on 5/19/10 4:40pm
Msg #337220
Re: Opps ... hold the dox hostage until paid?
Of course I would never hold dox hostage! The check came via Fed Ex around 10 am the morning after signing... I was still having my coffee..
To answer your question, Sylvia, if I HADN'T been paid... Well, that would be a whole other post altogether 
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Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/19/10 5:20pm
Msg #337222
Re: Opps ... hold the dox hostage until paid?
Point is Megan, you did the signing trusting they would pay you.
I am happy you got paid, but upfront payment to me would be being paid before doing the signng:)
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Reply by meganPA on 5/19/10 6:15pm
Msg #337231
Forgot to mention ...
I DID get the Fed Ex tracking # for my check before I left to go to the closing. That's an essential part I shouldn't have left out of the original post. I was upfront with the scheduler and said no tracking #, no closing.
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Reply by jba/fl on 5/19/10 8:19pm
Msg #337250
I have lots of airbills here - would you like some numbers?
Would that make you feel better? How many would you like?
This is faulty logic, Megan, you were lucky.
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Reply by mwm143 on 5/19/10 9:00pm
Msg #337252
Good job Megan. Regardless of the negative posts. n/m
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Reply by LMS on 5/19/10 9:27pm
Msg #337255
Re: I have lots of airbills here - would you like some numbers?
How is it faulty logic, when she could track that fedex package, see it was on it's way, who it was from and most importantly that it was coming to her? Unless of course they were going to pay fedex to ship an empty package. That would be faulty logic.
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Reply by jba/fl on 5/19/10 11:15pm
Msg #337257
Re: I have lots of airbills here - would you like some numbers?
That, of course, would depend on when the check was sent and when she received the assignment. If all in one day, then was she taking their word that this airbill was indeed in the system? Since she stated that she received the following morning after the signing, they could have said it was sent, when in fact it may not have been sent.
Most offices don't make trips to shipping companies more than once a day; pick ups are also only once a day, usually evenings or late afternoons. Even then, the check could have bounced.
Remember also, these type companies are not known for their truthfulness either.
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Reply by LKT/CA on 5/19/10 11:25pm
Msg #337258
Agree completely w/SheilaSJCA
<<<After checking out Not Rot and looking up their history, I declined the closing. The SS didn't want to have to go find another notary........I'm posting my experience as a possible option for those reluctant to accept a closing from certain companies. If deadbeat companies want to stay in business and get notaries to take a chance on them, they have to be willing to work with us.>>>
Work with a one star company so long as *you* get paid. Hmmmm.....after all, you weren't the bank robber, just the get-away driver. Okay.....
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Reply by mwm143 on 5/20/10 10:34am
Msg #337285
Bank robber? Get-away driver?? Seriously????
The notary did a closing. She asked for payment upfront. They provided a tracking number. She got paid. Suggesting that she is an accomplice to a deadbeat company to stiff others is a little over the top, don't cha think?
We are independent contractors in business to make money. We set our own fees and guidelines.
She lowered her risk of being stiffed. And I'm just not buying that each and every one of these slow paying companies that continue to linger for years are stiffing all the notaries they hire.
So learn a lesson from the poster.
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Reply by LMS on 5/20/10 11:00am
Msg #337291
Re: Bank robber? Get-away driver?? Seriously????
"Koodo's" to you, mwm143!!!!!!
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Reply by LKT/CA on 5/20/10 11:55am
Msg #337299
Re: Bank robber? Get-away driver?? Seriously????
<<<So learn a lesson from the poster. >>>
Oh, I 've learned a lesson alright - that anyone KNOWINGLY working with a company of low character and ethics (one star rating) has just stooped to their level and become one with them, and disgustingly for money too, just like a prostitute. And since you agree with what megan did, that includes YOU, mwm143.
You become ONE with whom you join with. Now learn THAT lesson!
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Reply by mwm143 on 5/20/10 12:59pm
Msg #337308
Prostitute?? LOL! LKT you are such a drama queen! n/m
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Reply by LKT/CA on 5/20/10 1:57pm
Msg #337318
Re: Prostitute?? LOL! LKT you are such a drama queen!
NO, I'm such a NSA with character and ethics who doesn't stoop to the deadbeats level - accepting work from them when their SOP is to steal and rob NSAs of their contracted fee, where the ONLY way they pay is when they're backed into a corner. It would serve a company like that RIGHT if megan declined the job and they lost the TC account because they couldn't get a NSA for the signing. They reap what they sow. And it would do you well to learn the definition of a hyperbole.
You'd work for SOX, Aliso Viejo, CA if they paid you upfront, wouldn't you, mwm143 [who conveniently hides behind anonymity]??? Why do I even ask..... OF COURSE YOU WOULD!!!!
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Reply by mwm143 on 5/20/10 7:59pm
Msg #337419
You're such a easy target! You always appear to
be SCREAMING in all your posts. It's a hoot to sit back and watch you get yourself all riled up and inevitably you'll say something ridiculous and witchy. I do love your predictability though. Keep up the good work.
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Reply by LKT/CA on 5/21/10 12:23am
Msg #337437
Re: You're such a easy target! You always appear to
Once again mwm143, your idiocy knows no bounds. Caps are for emphasis - since you don't know what a hyperbole is, it's not surprising that you don't know what "emphasis" means either. You're just another get-away driver, with whom I shall not waste anymore keystrokes responding to your non-posts.
Tootles...
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Reply by JulieD/KS on 5/20/10 12:32pm
Msg #337305
For the companies that are not paying other notaries, I'd rather decline outright instead of assisting them to stay in business. As far as I'm concerned, if they've been screwing my peers, I prefer them to go out of business.
A company that agrees to pay in advance is admitting their guilt since they know that's the only way they will get signing agents to work for them.
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Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/20/10 1:06pm
Msg #337309
"As far as I'm concerned, if they've been screwing my peers, I prefer them to go out of business."
Exactly!
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Reply by LKT/CA on 5/20/10 1:48pm
Msg #337317
5 Star Post!!!!!, JulieD/KS n/m
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Reply by jnew on 5/20/10 2:09pm
Msg #337321
Re: 5 Star Post!!!!!, JulieD/KS
I don't want to tell others how to run their business. There always is a position of risk vs. reward. The idea of being able to make a profit requires it. I was approached by a low ranked SS a few weeks ago. I declined. He got argumentative about it and I did not like his arrogance when he tried to convince me to take the job. I told him to find someone else; that there were a lot of others in this business he could go to. I still refused and it got to the point that he would pay me by paypal immediately after the closing. I still refused. He said that this was a first, someone who would be paid upfront but still refused a closing. I hate to say it but I am glad I turned it down. I didn't like being treated disrespectfully and I passed up a fee for it. Then before hanging up he said he was going to call all his TC's and tell them I did not want to work with them and they should refuse to work with me. If it gets to the point that I have to put up with these lousy companies, I will go mow lawns first.
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Reply by jba/fl on 5/20/10 8:01pm
Msg #337420
Good for you jnew - good for you ! n/m
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Reply by LKT/CA on 5/21/10 12:32am
Msg #337438
Re: Good for you jnew - good for you !
Isn't it interesting, jba/fl, that those who replied to the OP and do not collude with deadbeats have linked profiles - lends a lot of professionalism and credibility to their replies......while the get-away drivers hide behind anonymity?
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Reply by taxpro on 5/21/10 10:53pm
Msg #337613
Re: 5 Star Post!!!!!, JulieD/KS
I'll bet it was Pacific Documents, right? They are well known for stiffing notaries, but are willing to pay in advance via paypal when necessary.
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