Posted by Jeff Ortler on 5/29/10 12:03pm
Msg #338984

Lock out jobs.. Follow up!

Just a follow up to the 2 lock out assistance jobs I had yesterday. Very simple process. Met the locksmith in front and the sheriff showed up shortly thereafter. Both units were empty except for a few pieces of furniture. Both places were trashed pretty bad... disgusting!
Locksmith took 20 minutes each unit, grabbed the keys and am overnighting them today. They didnt even want a report or anything. I asked the sheriff if this is usually how most of these are and they said they rarely see anyone still living there by the time they arrive. If anyone wants to know where to sign up, pm me!
By the way, I now have 10 of these scheduled in the next 2 weeks and got a call for some other new gigs as well. With the notary work drying up, its offering me a chance to try new things.

Reply by Rani Sampson on 5/29/10 12:57pm
Msg #338992

How much do you charge for lockouts? n/m

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 1:18pm
Msg #338995

are these banked owned properties?

i'm still confused as to what CAPACITY you serve at these lock-outs. why cant the locksmith just send the bank the keys? why do they need a 'middle-man'? the locksmith is there and the sheriff is there, and the property is practically empty - so what is your role?

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 5/29/10 2:35pm
Msg #339002

Re: are these banked owned properties?

Probably because the notary is a trusted third party.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 2:38pm
Msg #339003

sheriff not good enough? wow, whats this world coming to n/m

Reply by C. Rivera Chicago Notary Services on 5/29/10 6:10pm
Msg #339035

its not the sheriff's duty to return keys! seriously....

...not part of their role as sheriff (or deputy). There role is to enforce the law, keep order, and that's it.

Reply by Moneyman/TX on 5/29/10 4:01pm
Msg #339007

Re: are these banked owned properties?

From Jeff's OP on the subject, it appears that he is acting as a representative of the owners taking possession of the keys for them and forwarding to them. I assume that the reason for this is to limit the liability of the sheriff and the locksmith for property owners not located in the same area.

Reply by Maureen_nh on 5/29/10 4:20pm
Msg #339009

Re: are these banked owned properties?

I would almost say that the function is of that of a notary who is present when safety deposit boxes are opened. This may also be state specific.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 4:24pm
Msg #339010

if you're doing a lock out in MD, be prepared to hop a plane

notaries dont handle lock outs in maryland

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/29/10 4:38pm
Msg #339012

Re: if you're doing a lock out in MD, be prepared to hop a plane

I don't believe he was functioning as a notary - if I recall his previous post correctly.

Reply by Notarysigner on 5/29/10 4:45pm
Msg #339013

Re: if you're doing a lock out in MD, be prepared to hop a plane

I think he was doing something similar to what my function was when I did that video taping job, disinterested third party.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 4:55pm
Msg #339017

he didnt disclose his role, so we'll never know.... n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/29/10 5:01pm
Msg #339020

Re: he didnt disclose his role, so we'll never know....

But he did say he wasn't doing it as a notary. Message 338230

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 5:02pm
Msg #339022

i finally figured it out, a little slow, its his new biz n/m

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 5:05pm
Msg #339023

2 similar posts, 2 days apart, no follow up from him...

he's obviously recruiting...it took me 2 days to figure it out...duh..lol

Reply by Moneyman/TX on 5/29/10 5:40pm
Msg #339027

Actually, this was the followup. The first post stated

that he had an upcoming lock-out job and that he would follow up after about the experience. That is what this post seems to be (description of how it went, who there, etc).

He might be recruiting, don't know. But, at $50+/job, much better than the low ball SS companies offers of $50/signing including e-docs. IMO

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 5:47pm
Msg #339030

hey, i'm only mad it cant be done here in maryland ;) n/m

Reply by Moneyman/TX on 5/29/10 8:08pm
Msg #339049

Know what you mean. Checking to see if TX allows it :-) n/m

Reply by Jeff Ortler on 5/29/10 6:07pm
Msg #339034

You cant be serious....

I'm accused of recruiting.... wow, really! What is it that you want to know so I can debunk this BS!

Reply by MikeC/NY on 5/29/10 6:50pm
Msg #339045

Re: You cant be serious....

You don't have to debunk it - some people just get an idea fixed in their heads, and nothing you can do will change that.

MOST of us realize what it is you're doing, and we know you're not recruiting. One or two are fixated on their own ideas - ignore them.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/29/10 6:57pm
Msg #339047

Agree w/Mike n/m

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 9:37pm
Msg #339059

easily debunked - what does the hiring party refer to you as n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 5/29/10 9:42pm
Msg #339060

Perhaps, by name. n/m

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 9:49pm
Msg #339063

i rest my case :) n/m

Reply by Moneyman/TX on 5/29/10 8:29pm
Msg #339052

Re: You cant be serious....

Jeff, I realize your post was in response to another poster, but just for clarification since I did refer to the issue of recruiting.

After re-reading my post, it appears that I may not have made my thoughts very clear. I believe this is another stream of income that you have found and are sharing with everyone else. My response was meant to convey the thought of "so what if he is recruiting, it is a much better offer than the low ball offers from some of the SS companies." I apologize it my comments came across as accusing you of actually attempting to recruit people.

You clearly offered to give the contact information of the company(ies) you have dealt with regarding this other possible stream of income opportunity, not "come join my company". I see nothing wrong with that and the offer is, in fact, appreciated. In today's economy, all of us have to look into increasing and diversifying the services we are currently offering in order to offset the decrease in signing income.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/29/10 8:44pm
Msg #339054

Chris, your thoughts were clear to me - I think he is

definately referring the the MD poster....

but I don't know Jeff, so what do I know? I also think his offer to share is very generous as we all need to be looking elsewhere. Just cannot put all our eggs in one basket these days.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 9:28pm
Msg #339056

the question is quite obvious, guess we wont get an answer n/m

Reply by MikeC/NY on 5/29/10 6:46pm
Msg #339044

Re: if you're doing a lock out in MD, be prepared to hop a plane

He wasn't acting as a notary - he may have been selected because he IS a notary (with the unspoken expectation that he is honest and reliable), but nothing he does on these assignments have anything to do with notarial duties. It's no different than doing inspections for Vision Compliance - they only use notaries as far as I know, but nothing about the assignment requires a notary, they just want people they feel they can trust.

I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing, and I think your statement that "notaries don't handle lock outs in maryland" is kind of silly. Just because you're a notary doesn't mean you're not allowed to do certain jobs at all. If you're not acting in your capacity as a notary, why would the state even care??

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 9:32pm
Msg #339057

what is his role? geez

when the hiring party calls him, what do they refer to him as? why is this so difficult or 'silly' to answer?

Reply by MikeC/NY on 5/29/10 11:13pm
Msg #339070

Re: what is his role? geez

They can refer to him Your Royal Highness or God Almighty for all I care - the point is are they hiring him AS a notary or BECAUSE he's a notary?

If they are hiring him AS a notary, he obviously has to conform to his state's notarial laws in carrying out the assignment.

OTOH, if they are hiring him BECAUSE he's a notary (which suggests that they want someone they can rely on for honesty), state notarial laws don't apply - they're not asking him to act in a notarial capacity, they just think he's someone they can trust.

He made it very clear in his post that he wasn't being asked to act as a notary, so I'm not sure why it's even an issue. So yes, it IS silly to state that notaries can't do this type of work in MD - of course they can, unless you have some weird law there that says a notary is not allowed to do certain jobs when they are not acting as a notary.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 6/1/10 10:51am
Msg #339273

his role in this post is recruiter, thanks for the chat mike n/m

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/1/10 11:02am
Msg #339277

Are you sure of that, BossLady?

If so, how do you know it?

I'm just asking. I didn't get that he was a recruiter at all.

My spidy sense never went off reading this. I want to know if it is "broken".

Thank you.

Reply by jba/fl on 6/1/10 12:23pm
Msg #339305

Re: Are you sure of that, BossLady?

I got the link, it is not where he lives, so unless he is telecommuting, I don't think he is recruiting.

Reply by BrendaTx on 6/1/10 1:16pm
Msg #339322

Re: Are you sure of that, BossLady?

I had the impression he was just willing to share his lead on how to find the work....not recruiting.

Thought maybe I was "slipping". Thanks for the input.

Reply by Notarysigner on 5/29/10 10:39pm
Msg #339067

Re: if you're doing a lock out in MD, be prepared to hop a plane

When I did my video taping job, the hiring party found me via NotRot. He was look for a notary, not me. He kept referring to me as the notary as he introduced me to those at the table. They asked for my business card, which says notary.
When the deposition and filming started and they went around the table identifying everyone present, I said, " James D. camera operator" when it got to me! I made it clear that I was not there as a notary.

Reply by Rachel_NJ on 5/29/10 3:10pm
Msg #339006

I would love to know where to sign up. Any info would be great. Thanks so much for offering.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/29/10 4:53pm
Msg #339015

for those of you who are PM-ing Jeff...

send him your email address. I know that once I said to pm me for info and if I had not requested email addresses, I would still be replying (well, not quite, but pm's are one at a time, emails are whatever you can fit all at once.)

I know he didn't specify, but let's help him out a bit here. I expect his response rate to be larger than he may expect.

Reply by Notarysigner on 5/29/10 4:59pm
Msg #339019

Re: for those of you who are PM-ing Jeff...

I' m not sure. I had a friend that got locked out. Rental unit, owners gets foreclosed on but doesn't tell tenant. Sheriff comes, ask tenant to step outside, pow! you can't go back in. Friend was devastated, trusted the landlord, a co-worker.

They were homeless for six months. I would not want to be a part of anything like that.

Reply by Robert/FL on 5/29/10 5:25pm
Msg #339025

Don't know the laws in California

but here the defendants to foreclosure actions are not only the owners, but also, "all other occupants/tenants". So, the people living in the home get served with the same foreclosure papers as the owner. In Florida at least, I can't imagine how a tenant would not know that the house they are living in is going into foreclosure, because they receive the same notices as the owner of the property.

Again, this is just Fla. specific.

Reply by Notarysigner on 5/29/10 5:37pm
Msg #339026

Re: Don't know the laws in California

If it is investment property the "contact" address would be different. They DO NOT Serve the tenant. The sheriff will issue a three-day notice to vacate on the property address. But that's it!. If the tenant was celebrating the three day holiday weekend, they wouldn't know about it until they got back. How do I know? I'm a landlord and the eviction process is the same.
To evict someone in California is NOT easy as this is a "tenants' rights" state. Foreclosures, that's another story.

Bottom line, it is possible for the tenants not to know the property was in foreclosure.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 5:50pm
Msg #339031

i'm a landlord too. takes an act of congress to evict in MD n/m

Reply by C. Rivera Chicago Notary Services on 5/29/10 6:23pm
Msg #339037

the "all other occupants/tenants" clause is uniform

in these type of cases. And no, some tenants do not always receive notices about the foreclosure.

the notice is addressed to the owner of the building, et al including all other occupants/tenants, and since most owners will have a forwarding address, most tenants do not know about the foreclosure.

So how would they know...they don't. In fact, 9 times out of 10, the tenant doesn't know if the landlord is getting foreclosed on UNTIL the Sheriff comes out.

Its unfortunate, but this is a reality.

Reply by Dorothy_MI on 5/30/10 6:36pm
Msg #339121

If any of you remember "Doc" Stuart

that's what happened to him in NV. That's when he relocated to AZ. Had three days to get out!

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 5/30/10 8:36pm
Msg #339136

Re: If any of you remember "Doc" Stuart

I think we all remember Doc. I got a PM from him just a week or so before he passed. I still have it, just can't bring myself to delete it. I also talked to him the beginning of the month he passed. Only time I talked to him.
He is sadly missed.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 5/29/10 5:01pm
Msg #339021

sounds like a great start up business, good luck jeff! n/m