Posted by Roger_OH on 8/2/11 9:11pm
Msg #392397

Any FL NotRoters around Sanibel wanna marry me?

Will be vacationing on Sanibel next month, and looking to renew vows with my lovely bride of 31 years.

Would prefer to have a NotRot colleague officiate if anyone's in that area sometime during the week of Sept 11.

TIA

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/2/11 9:19pm
Msg #392401

We can't do vow renewals in our capacity as notaries

You would need an ordained minister.

Reply by NJDiva on 8/2/11 9:23pm
Msg #392402

Aaah, that would make sense.

Since they're already married, right? Good one Rob.

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 8/2/11 11:42pm
Msg #392419

Since you don't need to be a minister

to officiate at a renewal ceremony, my guess is that anybody can do it!

Reply by Ernest__CT on 8/3/11 12:16am
Msg #392424

Shoshana/AZ is correct.

It does NOT have to be a person who is legally authorized to marry people who conducts a vow renewal.

As long as a couple is already legally married, anyone can stand with them to act as their officiant. They key here is to be certain that the couple really is legally married.

A vow renewal ceremony looks approximately the same as a wedding ceremony. Some couples use a vow renewal to hide the fact that they were legally married secretly, so they want the vow renewal to look and sound like they're just getting married.

This opinion is expressed as a Connecticut Justice of the Peace.

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 8:00am
Msg #392446

I consider it fraud when a couple leads an audience to

believe they are getting legally married when it is only an unofficial vow renewal, and I will not participate in such ceremonies - nor will many other wedding officiants.

Our handbook is quite clear - no vow renewals for notaries.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/3/11 8:15am
Msg #392449

"Handbook is clear" - where? I don't see it.. n/m

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 11:30am
Msg #392474

Florida notaries can not perform a marriage without a

marriage license. You can not obtain a marriage license for a vow renewal - because the couple is already married. It is the same as same sex marriages (p53 of handbook). Because a same-sex couple can not be issued a marriage license, a notary can not participate in a safe-sex ceremony in his/her official capacity as a notary.

There is one exception - there is an old attorney general opinion that says that while the license is valid, mulitple ceremonies may be performed. Of course, only one can be recorded on the license - you would have to attach a second certificate of marriage I suppose. But this only applies within the sixty-day period during which the license is valid, and assuming that it has not already been returned to the clerk of court.

Reply by NJDiva on 8/3/11 12:23pm
Msg #392485

"a notary can not participate in a safe-sex ceremony in his/ n/m

Reply by NJDiva on 8/3/11 12:25pm
Msg #392486

oops...lol...hate when I push enter before it's time...lol

"a notary can not participate in a safe-sex ceremony in his/her official capacity as a notary."

I'm relieved to hear you don't have to have a license for safe sex. But I'm puzzled as to why there would be a ceremony...lmao

Reply by jba/fl on 8/3/11 4:24pm
Msg #392526

Was that safe? LOL n/m

Reply by taxpro on 8/3/11 1:01pm
Msg #392493

They have a ceremony for safe sex in Florida? n/m

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 8/3/11 1:49pm
Msg #392496

Heck, when I was a kid , "safe sex" just meant not doing

it in a moving car.
Not familiar with FL law, but as others have said, a vow renewal can be done by a
bar tender or bellhop.
If notry is not acting as a notary, I don't see why just anyone , or even just the couple themselves could not do a vow renewal.
Roger just wants a fellow notroter to be there and do his/her thing as a co-professional.
Any notroters near Sanibel interested?
Rog may even pop for lunch.
I have met his wife is she is a very nice lady.

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 2:14pm
Msg #392498

Eh, slip of the finger n/m

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 8/3/11 4:03pm
Msg #392519

Interesting - clerks can perform a vow renewal if presented

with a certified copy of the original marriage license - surprised notaries can't. In fact, I wonder if we can...hmmm

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 9:18pm
Msg #392577

If clerks in some counties are doing this, they shouldn't be

And most counties do not.

"Do we need a license to renew our vows? How do we go about doing this?
No. Speak to your clergyman, chaplain, or other advisor."

http://hillsclerk.com/publicweb/Marriage_FAQ.aspx

Again, nowhere in Florida law are clerks authorized to perform an vow renewal. Just because it isn't specifically prohibited doesn't mean they are allowed to. Clerks and notaries alike can only perform those duties awarded to them by the legislature.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/3/11 9:47pm
Msg #392581

Re: If clerks in some counties are doing this, they shouldn't be

Where are the duties of bruhing my teeth covered so that I appear in public well groomed?

Robert - you are becoming anal on this. You are also denying yourself an income stream. Sleep on this a few nights - see if you can't reconcile this somehow.

Reply by jba/fl on 8/3/11 9:51pm
Msg #392582

ugh: bruhing my teeth = brushing my teeth n/m

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 8/3/11 1:23pm
Msg #392494

Re: I consider it fraud when a couple leads an audience to

Robert,
I have performed many vow renewals. No one in the audiences were under the impression that the couple were getting legally married. All the guests knew the couples were renewing their vows.
There is nothing in the Florida Statutes or the Governor's Reference Manual that prohibits a notary from performing vow renewals. There is nothing that needs recording or needs notarizing.
Please show me in the handbook where it states no vow renewals for notaries.

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 2:13pm
Msg #392497

A vow renewal is not a notarial act, Sylvia.

A marriage IS a notarial act - but a notary can only do it with a marriage *license*.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 8/3/11 2:20pm
Msg #392500

And vow renewals are not marriages!

So there is nothing to say a notary cannot do a vow renewal ceremony. Ergo the handbook does not cover vow renewals.

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 2:32pm
Msg #392501

Where does the law say notaries CAN perform vow renewals?

With notaries - if the law doesn't speicifcally authorize you to do something, you can't do it. Using your logic, just because the law doesn't PROHIBIT notaries from issuing arrest warrants, that means notaries can do it.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 8/3/11 3:20pm
Msg #392513

Don't want to get into a argument abaout Fl notary law, but

I would think that if anyone can do something , then a person who just happens to be a Notary Public, can also do it, so long as they are not doing it in their capacity as a Notary Public.

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 8/3/11 3:21pm
Msg #392514

I would agree with you Bob, but I think Sylvia is

claiming that a notary can perform a vow renewal IN HIS CAPACITY as a Notary Public - and this is quite obviously not authorized by law. Notaries can not perform duties with which they have not been empowered by law.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 8/3/11 3:32pm
Msg #392516

Sylvia just got a cast on her arm, so I will presume to

reply on her behalf.
Since a vow renewal is not any type of official act. then if a person who happens to be a Notary elects to participate, then it would not be illegal.
No more official than tosting the bride and groom.
Just because a notary public is authorized to perform certain official acts , does not mean that a person who just happens to be a notry can not do some unofficial act , unless the law requires that a the act may only be performed by an authorized party .
If you don't choose to be there, then don't. Roger just wanted a fellow NOTROTER to be there to
"officiate"

Reply by Notarysigner on 8/3/11 4:07pm
Msg #392521

Mickey Mouse or Kiosh Kenny could do it even if

they happen to be a notary, just don't stamp it.

Reply by Sylvia_FL on 8/3/11 7:30pm
Msg #392555

Re: Sylvia just got a cast on her arm, so I will presume to

Thanks Bob,
I'm getting used to this speech recognition program slowly.

Reply by BrendaTx on 8/3/11 8:37am
Msg #392453

But, Roger still needs a notary/vows. :)

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Reply by KSMONotary on 8/3/11 9:32am
Msg #392456

Hey Roger congrats on being married 31 years, and on your renewals.

Reply by MistarellaFL on 8/3/11 11:58am
Msg #392482

Recommendation:

Deborah Temirlioglu

http://www.anunforgettablewedding.com/301.html


Wonderful gal, has beautiful ceremonies!