Posted by Buddy Young on 7/26/11 12:35am
Msg #391207

birth certificates again

We do not notorize or certify birth certificats. What if some one brings you a copy of a birth certificate with a jurant attached. You are notorizing the signature not the birth certificate. Seems to me that might be alright. Your thoughts.

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 7/26/11 1:06am
Msg #391212

I don't see how this could work. Anybody with a copy of a birth certificate really has a copy of a certified copy of a birth certificate because the goverment always keeps the original. If they already have a certified copy, why don't they just give that to whoever wants it? As far as the jurat goes, you would be administering an oath to the signer who would be attesting to what? That the copy of the certified copy is true and correct? This would need to be a separate written statement and I can't imagine who would want/need/accept such a document. Notarizing the signature of a person signing a jurat attached to a birth certificate is meaningless. They have to be swearing to the correctness and trueness of something ....

Reply by Buddy Young on 7/26/11 1:15am
Msg #391215

Gold girl,
Yea, someone called me to day and wanted me to notarize a birth certificate, and I told them I couldn't do that. Was just wondering.

Reply by Notarysigner on 7/26/11 1:27am
Msg #391216

"Seems to me that might be alright". Although our handbook has flakey wording in it, that phrase is not mention anywhere in it. However you might want to review these two pages to answer your question.

First of all, page 16 in the notary handbook 2011......

Certified Copies
A notary public may only certify copies of powers of attorney under Probate Code section
4307 and his or her notary public journal. (Government Code sections 8205(a)(4), 8205(b)(1),
and 8206(e))
Certified copies of birth, fetal death, death, and marriage records may be made only by the
State Registrar, by duly appointed and acting local registrars during their term of office, and
by county recorders. (Health & Safety Code section 103545)

Second......page twelve states...

Jurat
The second form most frequently completed by a notary public is the jurat. (Government Code
section 8202) The jurat is identified by the wording “Subscribed and sworn to (or affirmed)”
contained in the form. In the jurat, the notary public certifies:
• That the signer personally appeared before the notary public on the date indicated and in
the county indicated;

• That the signer signed the document in the presence of the notary public;

• That the notary public administered the oath or affirmation*; and
• To the identity of the signer.

To me the second bullet is the key, SIGNED WHAT DOC?

Reply by Buddy Young on 7/26/11 2:20am
Msg #391219

thanks notary signer, I was sure that there was no possible senerio in which we could do that that's why I turned it down. I didn't state the whole story, sorry about that. The guy told me he recieved a copy over the internet as a PDF file and the people told him it has to be notarized. He must have been in a hurry. I said sorry I can't do that.

Reply by Notarysigner on 7/26/11 2:28am
Msg #391221

You'll welcome...I got into the habit of

reading my handbook to find the answer so I wouldn't have to rely on misinformation. (Classic example of WWPD). It is a good practice.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 7/26/11 10:06am
Msg #391268

If signer prepares a form that says something like..

"I, Billy Bob swear that the attached is a true and correct photocopy that I made myself of the document that was given to me by by the clerk at the Bureau of Vital Records of Bozo County ,
State of Confusion on July 22, 2011"
I don't see where a NP would have a problem notarizing his signature after administering an oath. What he does with the doc is not your problem.

Reply by A S Johnson on 7/26/11 10:41am
Msg #391274

Re: If signer prepares a form that says something like..

"I, Billy Bob swear that the attached is a true and correct photocopy"
That person is swearing to what?

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 7/26/11 10:49am
Msg #391277

That person is swearing to what?

Swearing that the photocopy he made is a true representation of the origninal document.
(eg . not photoshopped {is that a verb} )
Again if that notarized statement serves his needs, then fine, if not, then it doesn't.
All NP is saying is that NP determined that Billy Bob is , in fact, Billy Bob, and that BB signed statement after being duly sworn.

Reply by Notarysigner on 7/26/11 10:48am
Msg #391276

Re: If signer prepares a form that says something like..

I Agree Bob, if he is notarizing a note/letter/affidavit but he said a "Jurant" attached to the birth certificate.. I think.

Reply by jba/fl on 7/26/11 11:03am
Msg #391279

Re: If signer prepares a form that says something like..

Billy Bob? Do you have something against Southern naming practices?

LOL

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 7/26/11 11:16am
Msg #391280

Do you have something against Southern naming practices?

Not at all. Guessing that Billy Bob's partents were first counsins , or maybe ,
brother and sister, so that just wanted to name BB after his great-grandpa, on both sides.

Reply by jba/fl on 7/26/11 5:05pm
Msg #391385

ROFL n/m

Reply by LKT/CA on 7/26/11 2:49pm
Msg #391342

<<<We do not notorize or certify birth certificats. What if some one brings you a copy of a birth certificate with a jurant attached. You are notorizing the signature not the birth certificate. Seems to me that might be alright. Your thoughts.>>>

What would you notarize the signature TO? We notarize signatures to statements and the only statement the customer could write is that their photocopy is a duplicate of a COPY, not an original. As Goldgirl wrote: "Anybody with a copy of a birth certificate really has a copy of a certified copy of a birth certificate because the goverment always keeps the original."

If the customer needs additional copies, he/she must order them. Here's a suggested site: www.vitalchek.com