Posted by Les_CO on 3/15/11 3:09pm
Msg #376227
WHY?
WHY?
Can someone tell me why people (supposedly professional and knowledgeable) will extend credit to anyone that “doesn’t answer the phone” or “does not have a valid address, or phone number?” or “doesn’t have a web site” or “according to the SOS (or whomever) is not in business?” Or “I hear they don’t pay, but maybe they will pay me?” or “I haven’t heard anything about them since 2009, and then they didn’t pay, but maybe they pay now?” WHAT? I see …what? Four posts today about deadbeats?
For the love of God, when will you people learn?????? If you don’t KNOW them, don’t TRUST them, can’t check on them, or have the SLIGHTEST doubt about them, DO NOT EXTEND THEM CREDIT!!!!!! If ‘their policy is that you MUST send them an invoice three months after the signing, and it must be in red ink, and contain a DNA sample from the borrower, along with a completely filled out questioner, in BLUE ink only, and MUST be postmark ONLY on the second Tuesday of the month following Mercury in retrograde’…… HELLO!!!! That means: DON’T WORK FOR THEM!!!!
WORK ON YOUR TERMS ONLY! If that doesn’t suite them….Pass! Let it go! Don’t take it! Just say NO!
We are all supposed to be ‘Commissioned Officers of the State’ and given according recognition.
I wonder?
| Reply by Alice/MD on 3/15/11 3:18pm
Msg #376231
AMEN.....your said it brother. Why don't people get it !!!!!
| Reply by LisaWI on 3/15/11 3:19pm
Msg #376233
LOL~sister not brother
| Reply by James Dawson on 3/15/11 3:23pm
Msg #376236
Brother, NOT sister n/m
| Reply by jba/fl on 3/15/11 4:54pm
Msg #376250
James & Alice are right. n/m
| Reply by LisaWI on 3/16/11 7:46am
Msg #376312
Re: James & Alice are right.
Sorry about that Les and all, I must have had you confused with someone else  I hope you didnt take it personally.
| Reply by James Dawson on 3/15/11 3:22pm
Msg #376234
I don't have the answer for you. I will say this, I am idle because I will not be taken advantage of if I can help it and that suit's me just fine.
You don't walk into a store with no credit and walk out with merchandise without paying for it. Why do you have to have a "bond" to protect" the public and they don't (the protect the notary).
I don't know why?
| Reply by Les_CO on 3/15/11 3:53pm
Msg #376240
Sorry about the rant!
James is right…. I’m a guy. (with a girls name)
I spend (some of) my time doing what I want. If someone wants to use me, my talent, expertise and/or my time, they can PAY me what I legitimately I ask, or go elsewhere. I would much rather spend my time do something I wish to do, than work for free for some thieving scum lowlife that I don’t know, and don’t want to know.
As James said our “bond” for those of us that have one, is not to protect us, but to insure the sanctity of our word to the public, and from some of the posts I see here I wonder if the bonding companies are charging enough?
| Reply by MikeC/NY on 3/15/11 10:54pm
Msg #376301
"You don't walk into a store with no credit and walk out with merchandise without paying for it."
Yes you can... but you better walk very fast...
| Reply by Lee/AR on 3/15/11 3:30pm
Msg #376237
Employee mentality is all I can figure. n/m
| Reply by ikando on 3/15/11 5:01pm
Msg #376253
I'm having problems with companies I've worked with before and didn't have issues. I don't know why this is happening, but it's making me gun shy.
On another note, I find myself making more doing general notary work where I get paid immediately, than trying to work with the signing companies that don't follow through on the contracts they've made with me.
| Reply by Les_CO on 3/15/11 5:31pm
Msg #376256
Okay….Here I go again…..It is NOT your business to argue with some scheduler in Bumfuc* Egypt, or the Philippines, or elsewhere about what you charge, or why you charge that amount! The ‘distance’ to the signing is unimportant to them, and IT’S NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!!!!! Just like it’s none of your business if they get $10 for getting a ‘signing’ scheduled, or if they get 100 rupees an hour! Do your job! Quote your price! Ignore any and all that ask you to do other than you want. (Except me..!Please send me any extra $100 you have asap! Although I don’t need the money, I will enjoy it more than the deadbeats you are currently prepared to give it to)
| Reply by Moneyman/TX on 3/15/11 5:34pm
Msg #376257
Great advice, BUT don't stop posting about deadbeats...
Good advice and it cannot be said enough, Les.
If these companies won't pay others why will people not realize that they too are in the same group as the "others" and are not special enough for them to change their ways for? I'll never understand that.
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The following is for anyone that might misunderstand the OP and think that maybe they shouldn't post about deadbeat companies anymore.
There will always be people (calling themselves companies) and real companies that will take advantage of us as NSA if they can. Even if someone did not follow the advice (which is Business 101) and they are either not being paid or having trouble getting paid, I think they should still post about the company. However, they should realize, and not be shocked, if the company had a record and others point this out to them. They should think of it as a reminder of the OP in this thread.
If someone didn't do their homework prior to accepting and preforming the assignment, they should just accept responsibility for that within the very first post about slow-no paying companies. It should cut down on the "Duh! Didn't you see that they don't pay" type of replies, and allow the information along with any possible suggestions or updated remedies to be posted by others. I think it is the SA's that either do not, or are unwilling to, accept any responsibility for not researching the company prior to accepting assignments from known "bad" companies that get to people the most.
By posting about the deadbeat and/or slow paying companies the information is added to whatever is currently available for future searches for others that are attempting to research companies prior to accepting assignments. After all, posting is how the "record" or history of the companies payment practices are started or updated.
| Reply by Linda Juenger on 3/15/11 5:56pm
Msg #376259
Re: Great advice, BUT don't stop posting about deadbeats...
Hubby and I had this conversation just today. He has a big rig and leases it to a company. He hauls gasoline, diesel to gas stations. There are several terminals he loads out of. He gets the same rate if he drives to the one in St. Louis or goes to Woodriver (which is 16 miles further 1 way) and takes that load to the same station. They pay a certain rate, no matter where it comes out of. The company he hauls for had to negotiate that rate in order to keep the work. Rate haggling is all fields people. Not just our business.
BTW, just food for thought. A load of gasoline, 9,000 gallons costs right at $31,000. This amt is based on $3.50 gal. A station has to pay for that load in 10 days and it is drafted right out of their bank account whether they sell it or not in that 10 days.
| Reply by AngelaV/CA on 3/15/11 6:04pm
Msg #376261
Re: Great advice, BUT don't stop posting about deadbeats...
Well said, Moneyman.
| Reply by Les_CO on 3/16/11 10:13am
Msg #376327
Re: Great advice, BUT don't stop posting about deadbeats...
I agree!
PLEASE do not stop posting about these deadbeats! Shout it from the rooftops! Posting here and on other boards is virtually our only protection from these people. And if you get a call from someone that you haven’t heard of…please ask.
I too sometimes give someone ‘one’ chance. I ask questions, and if I get the correct answers I may gamble and give them a try. If I can’t understand them, or English is apparently their second language, I pass. But that’s just me. Likewise if they are hesitant to tell me their Company name, do I want to work for (extend credit to) someone ashamed of their name? If their policy is paying anything over 30 days I pass. What these people are telling you is that they don’t have the capital to be in business. Theirs is a virtual Ponzi scheme; they pay you with the money they owe a notary from last week’s closing. Someone (the last people) will eventually get burned.
I know its slow, (I’d guess business is about half what it was), and we are seeing new Signing Service Companies popping up every day, some just retread deadbeats with new names, some ‘farm-outs’, and some just broke hopefuls trying to work on other people’s money.
Be careful, but please keep posting.
| Reply by JanetK_CA on 3/15/11 8:28pm
Msg #376280
I may be going against my own best interests here, but I'm going to say this anyway. I agree, in principle, with what you and most of the others here are saying, except for one statement you made:
"If you don’t KNOW them, don’t TRUST them, can’t check on them, or have the SLIGHTEST doubt about them, DO NOT EXTEND THEM CREDIT!!!!!!"
I prefer to separate out the "don't trust them" from the rest of it. If I followed all the advice in that statement literally, I probably wouldn't have three of my best clients today. Yes, I do check them out and ask lots of questions and use the smell test. I turn down lots of business, but once in a while, I hear from someone I've never worked for before and can't find anything about online. If they sound like they know what they're talking about and they come up with the right answers to my questions, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt - once. Then see what happens. Often no news is good news - and bad news travels fast...
So, yeah, let's definitely keep posting about the deadbeats. But if those of you in my neck of the woods want to only work for companies that have solid reviews posted publicly, I'm fine with that. 
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