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Posted by Bendy on 11/7/11 4:58pm
Msg #403068

Any abstractors?

I am seriously considering adding title searches to my services & I was wondering if anyone is an abstractor? I found what looks like a good coarse but have some questions first. Thanks in advance. Bendy

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 11/7/11 5:02pm
Msg #403070

IMO you need more than "a course" to be able to

effectively and accurately to a title search - there's more involved and the liability is very high since the information provided by the searcher/abstractor is what is relied upon to issue title insurance. Oversights and omissions, and not following a thread or lead wherever it takes you, is not tolerated.

This is must me but it's my adamant opinion that it takes more than a "course" - it takes extensive study, training, apprenticeship, etc etc...possibly even should be an attorney in some areas.

JMO

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 11/7/11 5:04pm
Msg #403071

Sorry...s/b "this is *j*ust me..." n/m

Reply by Pat/IL on 11/7/11 6:43pm
Msg #403076

I'll echo Linda's comments and add this...

You might want to poke around the website of the Oklahoma Abstractors Board for the statutes and rules for abstractors in your state: http://www.okgov.abstractor

And, not to discourage you from your aspirations, the abstractors encounter the same price pressures and payment issues as do the signing agents, and many of the offending vendor managers are the same.

I wish you the best of luck and success in your pursuits.

Reply by Pat/IL on 11/7/11 7:12pm
Msg #403085

Zoiks! The link ain't working!

Let me try this again: http://www.okgov/abstractor

Reply by Pat/IL on 11/7/11 7:15pm
Msg #403087

Gadzooks! One more try...

http://www.ok.gov/abstractor

Working or not, I'm off to watch Monday Night Football. Apologies for the bad links. Go Bears!

Reply by Susan Fischer on 11/7/11 7:43pm
Msg #403093

"Zoiks, Gadzooks!," and Double Dag Nabbit!" Pat, what

have you been reading lately? heehee

Reply by Pat/IL on 11/8/11 12:29am
Msg #403122

Re: "Zoiks, Gadzooks!," and Double Dag Nabbit!"

Isn't it funny when you say zoiks, when you meant to say gadzooks?

Reply by MW/VA on 11/8/11 7:32am
Msg #403131

Totally agree with Linda. Becoming an abstractor takes some

serious study to become involved in. BTW, they have the same collections problems that we do.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 11/8/11 7:50am
Msg #403136

Yep...and I read on some forums that they're being

offered $30-$50 for title searches - that, IMO, is absolutely obscene considering the liability risk there.

Reply by Victoria_NJ on 11/9/11 12:02pm
Msg #403258

Being we do abstracting, title examinations, etc. all I can say that it took me several YEARS to become a Senior Title Examiner under the mentoring of 2 25+ year veterans.

As an abstractor, you better plan on real E&O insurance to the tune of several hundred to over $1000 annually in premiums.

Make one mistake, miss one deed, one mortgage, etc. and guess who is on the hook - YOU since you are an independent contractor and not an employee of a title agency.

First, how does your state do property recordings - municipal, county or state level? In NJ, we have a county recorder, tax and municipal search (comes from each town/city/boro) plus a Superior Court search were liens are recorded. (BK, etc)

Second - what is typical to your state as to a "search"? Some title underwriters only require a 20 year abstract history on a purchase. In NJ, we require a 60 year search - I get reports back with docs dated from the 1800's! On refinances, most states only require Current Owner Deed. But do you know to include a prior deed if the chain shows one of the owners vesting in from that earlier deed?

Third - County recorders offices in most cases are prohibited from assisting you in your search. They can show you where the copiers/printers are, where the microfilm or computers are, but they can't do the search for you.

Can you read a survey, a tax map, do you understand the information on a Filed Map, etc cos you'll need to know how to do that too.

In addition to doing the search, you also have to pay the upfront fees for printing copies of the docs you are searching, so time, gas and hard money out of pocket fees.

Some states have regulated fees where your charges can only be a pass-through charge - so if copies cost you $20, you can only charge $20. Other states allow you to mark up your actual costs, however, in a very competitive industry, no one is going to pay $50 copy fee for $20 worth of copies.

Your "fellow" seasoned abstractors are unlikely to help you out. They don't want the competition. Brutal but true.

And, you'll get A$$hole title agencies who will pay late, not pay, whine to you that the deal never closed, etc etc etc. - so now you spend extra time bill collecting.

I could go on and on and on.

Finally, what's the going rate of searches/abstracting in your area? In NJ, it varies between $45 - 90 for refi/purchases including commerical properties for a county search. There are multiple vendors that supply municipal and Superior searches within a matter of minutes via online, so most TA are using those because of the instaneous information delivery.

So, if you are currently not happy with performing a signing for $45-90 which could take as little as 30 minutes to complete, are you going to be happy with $45-90 doing a search that might take a couple HOURS?

If you are serious about it, you need to find an abstractor MENTOR with at LEAST 10 years experience in doing ALL types of abstracting.

You have no idea how many searches come across my desk to read out and the searcher(s) have missed critical information and we have to send them back (at their cost) to get the rest of the search info.

Best of luck - I don't mean to sound negative, but abstracting is the backbone of the title industry and in many states, the title agencies won't use contractors, only "in-house" employees who are properly trained, since no one can afford mistakes in the abstracts. Mistakes = claims = $$$$



 
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