Posted by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 7:37am
Msg #397946

Classes on Notary Rotary

How do you order a class on here and where can I find the prices. I am looking to take any advanced classes.

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 7:40am
Msg #397947

Nevermind answered my own question.

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 7:43am
Msg #397948

Re: Classes on Notary Rotary for Pa

I guess there are no advanced classes for Pa on here. Anyone know any different?

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/20/11 8:00am
Msg #397949

Just curious as to why you think you need an advanced class?

What can't you learn simply by reading your state handbook and by participating and reading on this forum?

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 8:18am
Msg #397951

Re: Just curious as to why you think you need an advanced class?

To answer your quest Shoahanna/AZ because I feel like it and I can. (wink)

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 9/20/11 9:05am
Msg #397954

Wow... n/m

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 9:14am
Msg #397955

Re: Wow...

Wow...?

Reply by BossLadyMD on 9/20/11 9:55am
Msg #397959

With things so slow, we're all just watching our expenses...

I think she was curious as to why you would go thru all the trouble & expenses of advanced training when business is so slow right now.

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/20/11 9:56am
Msg #397961

Not only that....

But what is "advanxced" training?

Reply by BossLadyMD on 9/20/11 10:03am
Msg #397962

Exactly! I should be a Loan Signing Agent III by now LOL n/m

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/20/11 10:10am
Msg #397964

Experience is the best teacher.

Nobody can ever be prepared for every possible situation that might arise.

Reply by Marion McGrath on 9/20/11 12:44pm
Msg #397980

Re: Exactly! I should be a Loan Signing Agent III by now LOL

I am puzzled. I didn't realize there were rankings for Signing Agents. I must be living in the dark. How are you ranked and who does the ranking.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 9/20/11 2:51pm
Msg #397989

Re: Exactly! I should be a Loan Signing Agent III by now LOL

I believe that comment was intended as tongue in cheek...

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 10:18am
Msg #397966

Re: With things so slow, we're all just watching our expenses...

I have been told that if signing companies don't see some training under your belt they don't bother calling you. I'd like to change this, that's all.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 9/20/11 11:13am
Msg #397972

May I ask what companies require additional training? Thanks n/m

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/20/11 9:55am
Msg #397960

The least you could do is spell my name right!

I think your response was a bit nasty. What do you think someone would teach you in an "advanced" class? In my opinion the best advanced class is experience. That's how we learn after we get the basics.

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 10:16am
Msg #397965

Re: The least you could do is spell my name right!

You may have thought it was a bit nasty. But I asked a question and instead of just giving me a direct answer, you answered my question with a question. So it got me no where. Sorry.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 9/20/11 10:22am
Msg #397967

She asked a very valid question...and an answer WAS

contained in there - what could you get from "advance" training as a notary that you can't get by reading your handbook and from experience.

Had you said "loan signings" you may have received a different response - possibly another question, such as "Why would you want to try to break into a dying market??"

And yes - your response was snippy - thus my "wow"...

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/20/11 10:25am
Msg #397968

IME, they ask for EXPERIENCE, not ADVANCED Training. n/m

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/20/11 10:48am
Msg #397969

Re: IME, they ask for EXPERIENCE, not ADVANCED Training.

Wow, I guess some people are quick to judge and criticize instead of just answering the question. I was once told that people are here are just like this. guess it's true.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 9/20/11 11:16am
Msg #397974

I think your <wink> may have set everybody off..(shrugs) n/m

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 9/20/11 11:39am
Msg #397976

For me it was the words...not the wink.. n/m

Reply by NJDiva on 9/20/11 11:26am
Msg #397975

Hi PASigning...

Yeah, the experienced on this site can sometimes seem to come off a bit short and snippy, but in my experience with the site, they have nothing to lose or gain by responding to your question.

Shoshanna is in AZ, Linda is in FL, etc. I think it's hard sometimes to have patience when for months and months the experienced notaries have discussed time and time again, to ad nauseam some would say, (not me, of course, I think we should talk about it so that new and prospective Signing Agents don't waste their time and money.) about how the market is going down, how there is so much lowballing going on that we are actually paying these companies and as fools thinking we are actually able to PROFIT from the penance they offer, and many other realities of how the time to start in this business is definitely not now...IN MY OPINION...and those other long time notaries that discuss it.

Additionally, the market is already inundated with seasoned SA's yet new prospective notaries come on wanting us to tell them how to start their business (not you or anyone in particular, just sayin), or how to get business, etc. etc.


I know that that was NOT your question, and probably really isn't the point of your post at all, but I sincerely believe that it has nothing to do with you.

There are companies out there who offer training, as I think you said you answered your question. We all have our opinions about which are good ones and which are ripoffs. I personally believe that experience is the best teacher in this industry.

When you are faced with a situation you are unfamiliar with, then come on, search the orange button and if you can't find the answer to your satisfaction, present it to the board.

Its my experience that that is what this board is for.

Gotta git. Gonna be late....

Good luck and G*d Bless...I hope this alleviates some of the angst I detected!

Cheryl

Reply by Notarysigner on 9/20/11 11:41am
Msg #397977

And adding to this...Extending an Olive Branch.

I do not believe in belittling any notary so hopefully you will not take what I’m about to say wrong.

This forum is not the Wild, Wild West. Strange as it may seem It does have some structure and as often mentioned, the need for it’s readers to sometimes have “thick skin.”

The long time posters/members hear are very savvy and can see through an often innocent sounding post. For example, this Advance verses Experience dialog, which you will not win.

If you put your name in “this user” after selecting the search bottom, all your post will come up. Separately they address different issues but as a whole they display the fact that you are inexperienced. You even mention it a couple of times yourself. You cannot get that in a classroom or organized training.

Secondly, almost all of us have spent countless hours, days, weeks, months reading different forums trying to understand and learn this business. Basic knowledge of this business comes from a foundation of having been involved in the many entities in the lender/mortgage world, not becoming a notary then Loan signing Agent.

For those like myself, it have been a steep learning curve (four years for me) to consider myself knowledgeable enough to step up and communicate with anyone on this forum. Not by my rules but by thinking out my questions, doing research (so I don’t get flamed) and the submitting my issues to the forum group in an intelligent manner. Showing respect will gain you respect in my opinion. My advice to you would be to stop listening to those who tell you this and that, good or bad about a forum and figure it out for myself.

You will do alright, when you get a little experience. My .02

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/21/11 7:24am
Msg #398088

Re: Hi PASigning...

Thanks Cheryl. I appreciate your kindness.

Reply by jba/fl on 9/20/11 12:27pm
Msg #397979

Re: IME, they ask for EXPERIENCE, not ADVANCED Training.

Yes it is true. that is why you get responses no matter what you ask. That is why everyone gets help when they ask.

The problem lies not with the membership, it lies with those who just "expect" to be spoon fed. Doesn't happen anywhere, except if you want to give up your freedom. Is that what you want to do?

Yes, this is harsh and could be called cold also. You may need to grow up a little faster.

Reply by Frank/NC on 9/20/11 1:54pm
Msg #397986

Re: Just curious as to why you think you need an advanced class?

It seems to me that by the tone of your question as well as your replies, you have little if any experience. However, you are approaching this with totally negative views toward those on this forum who have collectively, probably a hundred years of experience and then choose to be rather snide in your answers. Most of the people who participate in this forum are more than willing to help answer your questions as well as provide help with the every day situations we run into. I suggest to you, being a new kid on the block, that you listen carefully and read carefully the postings here. That way you will be able to accomplish the learning that you want rather than make enemies. Works every time!

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/21/11 10:21am
Msg #398113

Re: Just curious as to why you think you need an advanced class?

Reply by MW/VA on 9/20/11 12:53pm
Msg #397981

I don't want to add to the tone of this discussion, but IMO

asking about advanced classes shows a lack of knowledge about the industry. PA might offer some training through their association. I've always heard they have an active one, but I can't remember the name.
There are many who would sell you a course. You can always "donate" your money to NNA, who will try to tell you that those credentials actually mean something.
I know that in VA there is no state certification, or anything like that.
I did take some "training" in the beginning, including through NNA. After five years of experience and participation in this forum I have gained a wealth of knowledge.
I don't know how long you've been at this, or how many loans you've signed. I also don't know of any companies who want proof of training.

Reply by Doris_CO on 9/20/11 1:39pm
Msg #397983

As others have said, there are companies that offer their version of a Certified Notary Signing Agent course (or whatever they might call it), including the three letter organization, that we on this forum refer to as XYZ. NR only offers courses for those states that require a test to be taken before the Notary can be commissioned or re-commissioned.

However, if you're really serious about studying you could to to Ebay and look for books about Notaries Public or ever check out your local library. You'll spend a few dollars but the money will be far less then taking a course with one of the on-line companies. Also, check with the PA Notary Association for any material they might have.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 9/20/11 3:19pm
Msg #397993

I'm going to disagree only slightly with some of the other comments your post received. Those who indicated that you touched a nerve are absolutely right - and it doesn't take much these days, unfortunately. Every other day, if not daily, we get someone who comes asking for help with what appears to be an attitude of entitlement and expectation from those who do have the experience, but also have lots of better things to do than spend time here answering the same questions over and over again.

HOWEVER, I disagree that it's a bad thing to be looking for more training in this kind of a market. Whether or not you worded your question perfectly is another matter, but your intent seems to clearly be self-improvement, and I think that is a very worthy goal. I haven't looked up your old posts, so I don't know anything about you. But when business is down, it's a good time for all of us to redouble our efforts and work on growing, not only our businesses, but ourselves. So for that, I applaud you.

One training program you may want to try to get your hands on is The Signing Registry course. It used to be available here, but I haven't checked in a while. Others have given some good suggestions, too. "Google is your friend..."

Your "advanced training" might just consist of going back to page one of this forum and reading everything (almost - you can skip the personal nonsense and petty bickering that there has been all too much of over the years. ) Don't assume that everything you read is true or good advice, but as you go through, you'll get a pretty good idea of who knows what they're talking about and who is worth listening to. And, of course, you'll need a good healthy dose of common sense and good judgment of your own.

If you really want to make it in this business, don't worry about the tone of others' posts, and don't get defensive, because you may be biting the hand that feeds you. Just be prepared to work hard, and take the lessons wherever you can find them.

Just my 2 cents...

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 9/20/11 3:42pm
Msg #398000

I'm with Janet on this... continuing to learn is always a good thing, and goodness knows that we all wish there were better educational opportunities out there. They just don't really exist... and the industry changes a lot.

Reply by Sha/CA on 9/20/11 4:53pm
Msg #398009

Doris has a good suggestion.

Support Notary Rotary and buy some books in the library. I've found the posts here very valuable and comforting, too. I've gained most of my knowledge from my experience and help from this website more than anywhere else. I only wish I had explored this website years ago instead of the last few that I've been a member. Stay here, learn a lot. Don't take things personally. Just my .02 cents.

Reply by Jon_PA on 9/20/11 7:11pm
Msg #398034

Re: Doris has a good suggestion.

Reading this forum for the last five years has been the best education I could get. It is all here, if you take the time to look for it.

Reply by PaSigningAge on 9/21/11 7:31am
Msg #398090

Re: Doris has a good suggestion.

Thank you to those of you who answered my question I appreciate it and will take your advice, which you did give some good advice! I wish you all luck!