Posted by Jeanne Love on 9/10/11 11:19pm
Msg #397026
Paul Gambs -Atlantic Pacific Document Service
This company/owner does signings thru various companies and I have done 4 now, and have not been paid. Just want to make others aware of him. If you have suggestions as to how to work this, please emal me at [e-mail address] His company is located in Brentwood or Discovry Bay, California. Dont accept signings from him.
| Reply by HisHughness on 9/10/11 11:57pm
Msg #397027
**Just want to make others aware of him.***
I think my head is going to explode.
The only way I save myself from trips to the ER when I see posts like this is to imagine that I am filiming an Abbott and Costello movie. The poster is Lou Costello, or a female version of him. Our late beloved Paul Williamson is Bud Abbott. Sometimes Gambs is Frankenstein, sometimes he is the Wolfman.
Or sometimes I picture myself as Thomas Becket and Paul Gambs is King Henry, except that it is I who utter the line, "Will no one rid me of this troublesome pr!ck?"
Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go find a fire extinguisher to use on my head.
| Reply by John Tennant on 9/11/11 12:12am
Msg #397028
20 years as a Notary Public and did not check signing central. Hugh, want to share the extinguisher?
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 9/11/11 1:08am
Msg #397029
A Proposal
I think the thing to do in order to spare what little sanity we have left regarding this subject is to just give up. Jeanne's post is only the latest in a recent rash of:
Gee, I worked for one of the biggest scum bags in the notary biz whose sordid history dates back years and years and whose horrendous reputation could not escape the notice of even the most dimwitted and now I'm not getting paid. Wah, wah, what do I do?
OR
Gee, I got a call from so and so. SC reviews are bad. Anything more recent? Then a pile of notaries reply that so and so is one of the biggest scum bags in the notary biz, has been ripping notaries off for years and owes notaries thousand of dollars. OK, thanks to all for the warnings, so I took the job because I insisted on Paypal. Aren't I clever? Aren't I smart? And screw all of you cos I got mine but my husband is out of work and I have to eat and whatever. And I certainly want to do my part to keep these guys in business.
These notaries are only the tip of the iceberg - that's why Paul Gambs et al stays in business year after year. That's why he and his compadres are laughing all the way to the bank. We cannot help these notaries because they cannot help themselves.
This is what makes occasional calls on NR to unite, unionize, fight back, boycott, whatever so laughable. We've had two recent posts about notaries who willingly work for Paul Gambs and then actually admit it. There is no hope.
I propose my own boycott. Next time we get a Jeanne-type post, or one asking should I work for a lying, theiving SS, nobody reply. Total silence. Write it off as a no-win, you've got to be kidding situation that doesn't deserve anymore of our time or attention. How about it?
| Reply by Notarysigner on 9/11/11 7:51am
Msg #397034
Re: A Proposal
Agree, If know one ack these post about these #@&% then maybe "someone" will figure out that everyone else already knows that. Just a thought. I'm sure all the unanswered post will begin to stick out like a sore thumb. IMO
| Reply by Les_CO on 9/11/11 9:17am
Msg #397038
Re: A Proposal...... :) !!! n/m
| Reply by HisHughness on 9/11/11 1:08am
Msg #397030
Are you trying to suck up to me, Tennant?
It isn't going to work. I'm not going to friend you on Linked-In. Maybe you could hire people to friend you; have you tried Angie's List?
| Reply by LynnNC on 9/11/11 8:24am
Msg #397035
Jeanne - a simple answer
People are reacting to your post the way they are because how to check the history of companies is written about over and over again on this forum. Apparently you are not a regular visitor.
Always check Signing Central and use the orange search button before you work for a company that you have not worked for before. You will find out the experiences of others that have worked for them.
MUCH has been written about Paul Gambs over the years, the latest just last week.
| Reply by Linda_H/FL on 9/11/11 10:14am
Msg #397039
Don't even need to be a regular visitor here...
not only is it written elsewhere - over and over again (most recently within the past week and ANOTHER bounced check incident) - but just google the names - somewhere on that first page of google search a link will appear that will bring them right to all the negative posts....it IS that well documented...
| Reply by Notarysigner on 9/11/11 10:24am
Msg #397041
Re: Jeanne - a simple answer
can you just imagine how many people he is doing this to who do not post here or maybe not even a member of a forum anywhere? Sad.
| Reply by 101livescan on 9/11/11 11:21am
Msg #397050
Re: Jeanne - a simple answer
PREDATORY, don't you think? Shame on you Paul, I know you read this forum. Even though you have never burned me, you seem to have burned a majority on this board.
Knock it off. What goes around, comes around.
| Reply by Charles Goff on 9/12/11 11:00am
Msg #397121
Re: Jeanne - a simple answer
I did some checking on Paul. There are 2 different pauls in his area. They have the same name. The other gentleman was into sports and recently passed away. Just thought you might like to know.
Brentwood and discovery Bay is right next door to each other.
| Reply by 101livescan on 9/11/11 9:06am
Msg #397037
Jeanne, be sure to contact Paul's clients and make them aware you're not being paid. They will tell you there is nothing they can do, but perhaps they will quit using Pacific Documents as their signing service vendor.
Then, Jeanne, go after this guy with a vengeance. You are working gratis, Paul is laughing all the way to the bank while he keeps all the money, you did all the work. Don't you feel like a chump. It should only happen once to you, then never again.
Shame on any one in this board who does not use Signing Central to check out these people before accepting work, or ask them when they call,
"what is your method and terms of payment, since this is the first time I've heard from you, I will want to check out your ratings on notary rotary before I give you an affirmative response to accept this job."
| Reply by Philip Johnson on 9/11/11 11:13am
Msg #397048
She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
her, now that's a great plan, if I've ever heard one. One would think that this board/community would realize that this career path is fluid and there are those who have just found this resource and honestly want to sound the alarm.
Will we next be shunning those that ask various questions about Adobe, Firefox or Chrome?
Because who doesn't know how to open a PDF, or clear their memory on Firefox? I mean gosh eleven year olds out there can do these things, why waste our time with such trivial matters?
| Reply by Les_CO on 9/11/11 11:50am
Msg #397051
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like n/m
| Reply by Les_CO on 9/11/11 11:52am
Msg #397052
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun / SORRY!
I agree that people that are new to this board, or that have never posted before, should be given respectful answers/responses. But how about those that have been posting for say three years?
Still it’s Harry’s board and one of the best, if not the best. And we all can learn here.
And I’m sure there some here that are sick of hearing me say “don’t work for deadbeats, it just empowers them, and detracts from those who are honest in this industry” frankly I’m sick of saying it myself.
| Reply by jba/fl on 9/11/11 11:55am
Msg #397053
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
It doesn't matter that she has been a notary for 20 years or in the mortgage business for however long either. Some have found former positions lacking, esp. in this economy, and have gravitated elswhere to what they hope will be a better path. They do not know yet.
I agree Philip - shunning is not the answer. The answer really is: if you don't feel like responding, then don't. Continue onward to the next message that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy...where you feel uber superior and can strut your malignant attitudes without offending.
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 9/11/11 2:57pm
Msg #397066
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
My post yesterday was aimed at preventing Hugh, a longtime and valuable member of this board, from bashing a fire extinguisher over his head – or whatever he planned to do with it –as a result of Jeanne’s post.
Jeanne has been a NR member for years but evidently has not used it to her advantage. Hence, you can’t help somebody who can’t help themselves. I feel sadness, disgust and anger on behalf of Jeanne, having been burned myself many years ago by Paul Gambs. Now, I see he’s moved on to Jacqueline Dyson (among many others) who posted just last week he is ignoring her calls and e-mails for payment. When will it end? For notaries, sadly, never, it appears. For Paul Gambs, happily, never, it appears.
Just last week I responded to a notary to stay away from Carla Wright of Quick Docs who also burned me and many others years ago. What did the notary do? Proudly announce that she demanded and got Paypal from Wright. Now that’s a malignant attitude with a capital M! Talk about strutting! This same scenario has happened over and over, and as Les/CO just posted, even he is tired of responding to it. And to add insult to injury, I got a public lecture from Hughness about libel/slander.
I am obviously not the warm and fuzzy type and generally respond to all sorts of posts, whether anybody wants me to or not. I feel very bad for many notaries and am often stunned to read how we continue to get cheated and taken advantage of no matter how hard we all try to get the word out. So, to all of you with endless patience for veteran notaries who willingly work for Paul Gambs, et al, go for it. I'm done. Meanwhile, I’m trying to wrestle the fire extinguisher from Hugh.
| Reply by Les_CO on 9/11/11 3:44pm
Msg #397070
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
Honestly I think you may have fu*k*d up. Trying to get Hugh to get, do, or see, anything that a (legally) normal person would do it is really ‘pushing the envelope.’ Best just let him express his opinions and fantasies here, and in JP, and then ‘consider the source.’ Either Hugh is far above us mortals in intellectual capacity, ( My IQ is 163 and I can’t figure out what he says most of the time) or he is indeed listing to a ‘different drummer’?
As far as warnings about litigation…The LAST person you want to listen to is someone that has spent their entire professional lives trying to contrive a litigious situation that they could profit from.
JMO!
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 9/11/11 4:31pm
Msg #397076
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
Well, I said Hugh was a longtime and valuable member of this board. I didn't specify what he was valuable for ......
| Reply by HisHughness on 9/11/11 4:41pm
Msg #397079
Les...
1. I'm really sorry you weren't your parents' favorite son, even though you were an only child. You should not let that push you into lashing out randomly at the world at large though. You're a grown-up now; learn to deal with the disappointment.
2. I'm not sure what you think I should "get, do, or see," or what you think GG CA thinks I should "get, do, or see," but if you will elaborate, I'll see if I can accomodate you within the scope of my personal moral and ethical code, time restraints, and financial limitations. I would not want any failure on my part to render an already dismal existence even more so.
3. I'm gratified that you have confirmed your obvious intellectual superiority; I have always suspected such. There are others amongst my colleagues of the hoi polloi, we of the Great Unwashed, who might view that as a trifle arrogant, but not I. I've personally always believed that if you have it, like a model with a DD chest, you should flaunt it. If I had it, I certainly would, albeit perhaps a bit more subtlely. Unfortunately, not being so blessed, I'm just reduced to admiring people like you from a distance.
4. Actually, most of my professional life was spent as a journalist, stirring up controversy to spur circulation, not as a lawyer stirring up litigation to make a buck.
5. Lastly, it's nearly 5 p.m. here in Austin. Remember your evening meds, and you might want to check to see if you can double up on those meds you obviously missed this morning. Falling off the meds does strange things to one, so you want to avoid that happening again.
| Reply by Les_CO on 9/11/11 6:08pm
Msg #397082
Re: Les...
1) Actually I was my parent’s favorite son, which still doesn’t sit well with my brother. I have many times told him and others (modestly) that my parents were unique, and perhaps lacking in what the majority would call ‘good judgment’ although they lived exceptionally full and interesting lives.
2) I really can’t presume advise you on how to more fulfill your life experience, since from your post’s you have led a far more libidinous, if a bit more usual (for Texas) life than I.
3) Please feel free to come here to Colorado and admire me up close and personal whenever you like. As to the ‘hoi polloi’ I think only you and Clifton Webb could conjure up such a passé phrase.
4) Ahhh…. That explains your verbose, bloviated rhetoric. A Samuel Clemens Wannabe? Well if it means anything… you damn near make it.
5) Thanks, but I’m well up on my meds, just sitting here with a Mojito, trying to type with two fingers, and remember what I wanted to say…(that’s the hard part!)
| Reply by Linda_H/FL on 9/11/11 4:08pm
Msg #397074
I agree with GG....except I don't want to know what he's
doing with the fire extinguisher...thanks anyway!!...
| Reply by desktopfull on 9/11/11 3:15pm
Msg #397067
Is there a full moon? What's with all the attacks? n/m
| Reply by jba/fl on 9/11/11 12:01pm
Msg #397055
Refresh a page? n/m
| Reply by Notarysigner on 9/12/11 12:37pm
Msg #397123
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
The plan as I saw it was to "shun" Paul Gamb post, NOT Jenine's. That is the way I interpreted it!
| Reply by jba/fl on 9/12/11 2:15pm
Msg #397128
Re: She gets burned and the plan is to shun her and those like
Then you got that wrong - Paul doesn't post here.
Shun the ones who don't do their homework, due diligence, etc.. I still say, ignore them and don't comment negatively or be nice. Isn't that the "right" thing to do - don't hurt feelings?
Sorry if I hurt yours.
| Reply by Notarysigner on 9/12/11 2:51pm
Msg #397133
Kiosk Kenny don't have "feelins" and Yes I got it wrong
as usual..One more time. Ignore the post whenever it's about Paul...NOT the person posting. There. How do you do that?...Got to next post as instructed!
| Reply by MW/VA on 9/11/11 9:21pm
Msg #397099
I usually get flamed for this, but I work with Paul. Our
arrangement is payment through Paypal & so far I've never had a problem.
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 9/11/11 10:26pm
Msg #397103
Hey, I have a good idea!
I'll put my new policy not to respond to notaries who admit they work for Paul Gambs and his type on hold long enough to make this suggestion. Instead of being part of the problem, MW/VA, why don't you try to be part of the solution? Instead of just looking out for yourself, the next time your buddy Paul calls, ask him to help make the NSA world a better place by paying your fellow notaries. You can refer to the following NR posts from just the first two weeks of this month):
1. From Jeanne Love, Sept. 10: This company/owner (Paul Gambs) does signings thru various companies and I have done 4 now, and have not been paid. Just want to make others aware of him. If you have suggestions as to how to work this, please emal me at [e-mail address] His company is located in Brentwood or Discovry Bay, California. Dont accept signings from him.
2. Jacqueline Dyson, CA, Sept. 10: Paul are you still in business? I have sent you numerous emails, left voice mails at the office and on your cell phone. You were going to pay me several times including last Friday after you received your wire. You did not pay! Now you say you are waiting for a check??? Invoices are outstanding since June 2011. I did the job and fronted you on gas, paper, toner, customer service, time, etc. I expected more from you!
3. Saul Servin AZ, Sept 7: Paul Gambs! What a creep!. Owes me $500..gave me a crying story not to be calling his vendors or he will loose his lively hood atfer 20yrs...sob,sob, sob..sz will pay me in Sept. Folks keep calling his vendors untill they drop him. I know I do. I still have his $300 Hot check that he bounced will turn it to the Hot check dept in CA when i find the time.
This guy is pathatic...the type that would kneel down to you and start crying for mercy.
4. CJ CA, Sept. 8: I cannot get money out of them either. I have only taken jobs from them when it is really slow, and then I regret it (large package, surprise fax-backs or something). But now they are not paying as well. They call and beg "pretty-please take this job? Please-please-please?" I tell them they have not paid me for a while and they owe me a lot of money. They act shocked! SHOCKED!
This should get your started. Go for it!
| Reply by MW/VA on 9/12/11 9:18am
Msg #397116
There's no mistaking it--we all take a hit now & then. I've
been burned by a few companies along the way. It's not fun, but unfortunately it goes with any biz.
BTW, Paul is not my "buddy". We have a business relationship.
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 9/12/11 10:54am
Msg #397120
Pathetic n/m
| Reply by HisHughness on 9/12/11 11:06am
Msg #397122
Re: There's no mistaking it--we all take a hit now & then. I've
Where business is concerned, I am not my brother's -- or my sister's -- keeper. If I have a productive relationship with another company, I don't regard it as my responsibility to undermine or even destroy that relationship in order to bolster either someone else's business or my profession in general.
Neither should I expect any sympathy when that relationship goes sour.
In the case of Paul Gambs, remember: If you shower with him, don't ever drop the soap.
| Reply by NJDiva on 9/12/11 5:43pm
Msg #397151
My heart hurts Marilyn...
"There's no mistaking it--we all take a hit now & then."
It's been pretty painful reading this whole stream of posts. But the above quote was really the most disheartening of all. I always appreciate hearing your experience and usually like reading your posts, but quite honestly the above statement was very disappointing and is making me reconsider the level of respect I uphold for you.
We are constantly imploring people on the boards to not keep these types of cheats, thieves, liars etc., in business by working for them. IMO, anyone who works for them may as well lie in bed with him!!!! You are absolutely condoning how he treats your fellow colleagues by keeping him in business.
How in good conscience can you say "we all take a hit now and then." in such a nonchalant, callous, flip way? We take hits because of attitudes like that. OMG, are you really so desperate that you find it necessary to lower your standards, ethics (oh yeah, ethics BIG time, you KNOW he's a cheat, liar, thief), self respect. Would you notarize a document that you KNOW the person is lying, cheating, stealing???? Is it really different? Really?????
There is such a thing called aiding and abetting (from ask.com "Aiding and abetting all refer to when a person assists or actively participates in committing a crime even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense."). Of course I sincerely do not think you're intentionally or in a legal (or would that be illegal?) sense aiding and abetting, but my personal opinion is that it's all relative. tsk, tsk, tsk...sorry to shame (far be it for me to be in a position to shame ANYONE, but ugh, I just can't HELP it...) SHAME ON the position you've taken!!!!
All I can say is what was said earlier, what comes around goes around. I hope no one EVER puts you in a position of UNSUSPECTINGLY getting scr***d. But Karma's a B**ch. It's inevitable. Mark my words.
I sincerely implore you to reconsider your position and allow this lowlife to stop stealing from everyone but you. The only way that's (obviously) going to happen is if we all stand together and reject him and his business. Make the companies that use him go to other companies that pay.
Is his business really THAT important or lucrative? (I don't really care and don't want to know, it's a question for you to ask your conscience-let it be your guide.)
This is just my two cents. And I disagree, we don't EVER have to "take a hit now and then." To my knowledge and memory, I've, by G*d's Grace, not had to and I hope that I don't have to.
Sorry Marilyn, I just had ta say it...
| Reply by SheilaSJCA on 9/12/11 7:06pm
Msg #397156
Well said Diva, agree wholeheartedly! n/m
| Reply by MW/VA on 9/12/11 8:41pm
Msg #397162
I respect your opinion and frankly didn't mean the remark to
be flip. It is a reality that we get stiffed now & then, and I've written off several signings from cos. that went under.
I've posted many times that I only use Paypal for payment from non-payers. I do not extend credit where it isn't warranted. That was the real point of my post.
I don't take signings out of disrespect to others in the profession. They don't collect my accts. & I don't collect theirs. I've posted many times in Signing Central to warn others about deadbeats, slow-pays & no-pays.
| Reply by NJDiva on 9/12/11 9:08pm
Msg #397164
I can appreciate what you're saying, but again Marilyn...
it's about us sticking together and putting these deadbeat's out of business. If they don't have reputable notaries (as I've no doubt you are-which makes it even WORSE!!!) to rely on, the companies they work for will find other companies to do their closings for them.
It is our hope that those SS's that get the business from the deadbeats will be those that PAY US.
To reiterate, please don't allow your fellow colleagues to be taken advantage of by keeping those low-lifes (ugh, I hate passing judgement, but what else are they?) in business.
I just KNOW you're not that desperate. Geesh. United we stand, divided we fall.
| Reply by marilyn/PA on 9/12/11 9:00pm
Msg #397163
HE MUST PAY YOU BY PAY PAL.......THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO ANY CLOSINGS FOR HIM....AND
HE MUST PAY YOU BEFORE YOU WALK OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR!!!
| Reply by Claudine Osborne on 9/12/11 9:35pm
Msg #397168
Re: Cant we give this subject a rest!! n/m
| Reply by NJDiva on 9/12/11 10:22pm
Msg #397172
Cant we give this subject a rest!! Which one?? lol n/m
| Reply by MW/VA on 9/13/11 7:14am
Msg #397184
You might try doing a search on this. He's been discussed
too many times to count.
| Reply by Chris O on 9/23/11 4:24pm
Msg #398448
Paul owes me $615 for Loan Modifications dating back to March 20, 2011. I own the domain www.PaulGambs.com and am working on a little "project."
| Reply by Robert Wells on 9/29/11 10:02am
Msg #399157
I am getting the same run around. I'm fairly lucky - he only owes me $75.
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