Posted by 101livescan on 2/25/12 8:21am
Msg #413002

Yes, Sign on the X still in biz

How can this be....they haven't called me in years. They are the worse of the worse in SC and in real life. Left me a voice mail yesterday while I'm stacked back to back all day and evening. Unreal that they live in this little bubble and think they can get the likes of me on their little hook.

Who out there i working for them and keeping them afloat...shame on any one who works for these knuckleheads!

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 2/25/12 10:21am
Msg #413018

Isn't it just horrifying when you get a call from SOX? It's like the devil himself on the other end of the line.

As far as the "knuckleheads": they just don't know, IMO. There are thousands of notaries who don't know anything about the NSA business and are in it only for scrap $$ or are newbies and don't know NR or similar sites exist or where to get help or information. There will always be this layer of NSAs to keep SOX et al in business. Eventually many will abandon SOX over nonpayment - but SOX pays plenty of their regulars, I'm sure, or they would be gone by now. But SOX should know better than to call a long-timer like you! Apparently they had gone through their entire list of suckers and had no where else to turn. LOL

Reply by Lexie on 2/25/12 12:04pm
Msg #413029

What about those of us who never got paid for that last one or two? I remember hearing so much about non-payment to so many. I only got stiffed for one, but I will never forget.

Reply by CJ on 2/25/12 1:29pm
Msg #413041

VERY evil.

My experience was this: they pay a few times so that you start to trust them. Then they give you a lot of work and don't pay you, so that you have a backlog of unpaid work. You will NEVER see it.

I know that people here don't like giving advice to newbies, but I DO want to say this: DON'T work for Sign on the X. If NO ONE works for them, then they will HAVE to go out of business.

So many legitimate signing services out of business, but they are still around. JUST SAY NO!

Reply by HisHughness on 2/25/12 1:57pm
Msg #413046

Re: VERY evil.

***I know that people here don't like giving advice to newbies, but I DO want to say this: DON'T work for Sign on the X.***

This statement has now been added to my Top Ten list of Ridiculous Comments by NotRot Posters, and it's No. 1.

Go back and google SOX. You will find innumerable exhortations by members of this board to avoid SOX. The veteran members of this board do not like to give "advice" to two categories of neophytes: 1) Those who should take the time to learn what they're doing before they put the first stamp to the first piece of paper; and 2) Those who expect us to train them to be our competition.

Which category do you fit?

Reply by LaniaR/AL on 4/1/12 1:58pm
Msg #416776

I accepted a job from SOX on Friday for a Monday afternoon signing. I was on the road, between jobs when I got the call, so there was no way to check them out. (Have I got timing or what???)

The money's good (if I get it). The docs were sent to me Friday afternoon - YES - I GOT THE DOCS EARLY.

I like the way SOX prepares their package. I've never had one so well arranged and well documented.

Since I've already printed out the docs, I'm going to do the signing Monday and see what happens about payment.

Let's call it an experiment - or wishful thinking? I'll keep you posted.

Reply by jba/fl on 4/1/12 5:28pm
Msg #416784

Lania: I am shocked, dismayed, and various other emotions.

Sox is a bottom feeding SS, preying upon new signing agents. The good money may never arrive in your mailbox, but then again, you may get it in 30 days or less. They will do that....to sucker you in leading you to believe your experience is so vastly different from those you read about, therefore, you are different and others are simply "not getting it". Why, just ask Sox - they will tell you that all those disgruntled notaries don't do their paperwork correctly, have made mistakes on their packages and don't follow procedures.

Then, you may come here and tell us that you got paid; they are all turned around, blah, blah, blah. You will extoll their virtues and we will understand the procedure as we were part of that procedure at one time or another.

Then, they will ask you to do 3-5 more, in quick succession. Now they are into you for several hundred dollars and then their MO becomes a litany of excuses. Our bookkeeper, our management, our this, that, or the other; you didn't fax to the right place; we don't have your invoice, or, or.....they just won't answer their phone because they know via caller ID who is calling and they sure don't want to talk to you.

Then you, who have been forewarned, may come here to sob. That happens frequently as well.

I wish you luck, and that may be wishful. You still have time to back out, but I don't think you will.

There is an old story about an old bull and a young bull, standing at the top of the hill. The young bull notices all the cows at the bottom of the hill and says, "Let's run down and get a cow." The old bull replies, "Let's just walk down and get them all."

Moral: anxious vs. confident

Reply by jba/fl on 4/1/12 5:30pm
Msg #416786

Have you even looked them up on Signing Central? Or used the orange search button? Read the beginning of this thread?

Reply by LaniaR/AL on 4/2/12 12:41pm
Msg #416819

Thanks J, for your response. As I mentioned in my original post, I was on the road and accepted the assignment without checking it out first (my bad).

After I got home and read all about SOX, I decided I'd go ahead and do this first one, since I'd read where they will pay the first to sucker you in, and then pull all sorts of excuses on later jobs. I just won't accept any more jobs after this one.

Worst case, I get suckered on the first one 'cause I didn't do my checking out before accepting the job. Best case, I get paid for the first one, and don't accept any more.

I do have a question for you folks who have been on NotRot longer than I have: If you're out on the road, and get a call for a signing, do you accept and then cancel later if you find out the SS has a bad rep, or do you somehow delay accepting the job until you can check them out?

Thanks for all the info. I've not been on NotRot long, but I'm finding it a goldmine of information.

Reply by jba/fl on 4/2/12 1:13pm
Msg #416823

I accept, check, keep or toss it back with reason why.

I do not let them Paypal me in advance. I do not want these people in business any longer than it takes me to blink.

Reply by LaniaR/AL on 4/2/12 2:06pm
Msg #416826

Thanks - I think that's the route I'll take in future.

Why don't you let them PayPal you in advance? Can they retract or cancel the payment?

Thanks

Reply by jba/fl on 4/2/12 4:06pm
Msg #416831

Yes, if they can put it in, they can take it out.

The real reason though is if they don't pay those who are willing to do business on faith and trust, then why would I want them to stay in business. This company preys on new people - people who do not know their reputation and really don't know their way around the various forums. They know they can then get you. Why would I want to see them continue in this manner? It is so deceitful, hurtful to the industry at large, and certainly hurtful to the one who takes their business.

Very seldom do leopards change their spots - mostly if they are down there on the bottom of the heap, that is where they usually stay. think about it this way: once you fall behind on your bills, for example, one full month behind, it takes months to catch up. What is their (Sox) incentive? There is an ever-ready pool of new people being taken in by certain organizations ready to train you offering a business making big bucks....Well, that's the sales pitch. The one many fall for, not having a clue as to how to go about making those big bucks.

There are several companies that fall into this category of non-payers. Use that Orange Search button and see for yourself. Check out signing central and see the comments...these comments are made by those who do the work and then rate their experience. I think if there are 10 ratings and 1 negative, I'm going to take a chance. But when I see 10 ratings and 7 bad ones, I am not going to risk it. I am lending them my time, my gas, my paper and toner, the electricity used to power the electronics, phone, plus ......and then not get paid?

Reply by LaniaR/AL on 4/2/12 7:40pm
Msg #416851

Thanks, J, for all the time you've taken to fill me in.

I must say I have to agree with you - we gotta get these guys out of business. In future, I'm going to check out all those SS and TCs that call me.

Thanks again,

Lania (rhymes with Pennsylvania)