Posted by Claudine Osborne on 7/9/12 7:37am
Msg #426043

GNW

Yesterday I met with a couple that needed some GNW. They had 16 affa that needed notarized.


They were returning their identity back to the government..Say what? They were returning their birth certificates etc..They insisted on putting their thumb prints (not required in Ohio) by their names and brought their own ink pad..I wasn't sure if it was for political reasons or religious reasons as that wasn't any of my business! I did ask them if they were doing the same for their 3 children they said No they have to do that when they turn 18..I did ask them how they are going to be able to be identified for anything in the future and they said they did not know and will cross that bridge when the time arrives..To each his own..

Reply by PegiT_MN on 7/9/12 8:08am
Msg #426045

Soverign Citizens?

That's what it sounds like to me.

Reply by A S Johnson on 7/9/12 9:14am
Msg #426049

Re: Soverign Citizens?

Question?
If I am a Soverign Citizen, which means I do do accept the United States laws over me, then how do I accept the place and job of a Notary, We are commission by the current government. How can our commission be reconiged by a Soverign Citizen.
I would NOT place MY notary stamp on thier docs. I feel they are trying to make part of thier deminted ideas.

Reply by HisHughness on 7/9/12 9:34am
Msg #426053

Re: Soverign Citizens?

Sid, at the time of their renunciation, they <are> U.S. citizens, and regard themselves as such; that's the whole purpose of the renunciation schnick. So certainly they can and should use a notary.

As to whether you would aid their efforts by notarizing, let us remember that our job is not to judge content, it is to identify signers. Of course, you could refuse to notarize on the basis that the signer obviously is non compos mentis.

Can I renounce poverty and declare myself a sovreign billionaire?

Reply by Barb25 on 7/9/12 9:38am
Msg #426054

Re: Soverign Citizens?

What? A notary is a "impartial" person... You want to change this? What is it that your are suggesting? Or what is it that you are suggesting the OP did that was wrong as a notary?

Reply by BrendaTx on 7/9/12 7:39pm
Msg #426140

The day that I must notarize a bunch of garbage

like this is the day that I'm happily done as a notary, Barb25.

However, I do not think that Claudine is wrong to do what she believes in right in this circumstance.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/10/12 9:04am
Msg #426218

Brenda, I just read again what I wrote.

All I said was a notary was impartial. Whether or not she chose to do this was within the powers of her commission. End of story. Others were stating what she did was wrong. She did nothing wrong. Pretty much like you said. This is a personal moral issue.

For me, I CHOOSE not to do GNW. I don't even have a reason. I just don't want to do it. So I rarely do it. I sent people to their bank and tell them they can probably get it done for free. Isn't America great.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 7/9/12 8:17am
Msg #426046

Ummm...wow...if Peg is right

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens

This FBI info also answers your question about future identification - they make their own..

Reply by Notary1/CO on 7/9/12 8:28am
Msg #426047

Sovereign Citizens article from FBI

Here's an article on sovereign citizens from the FBI at http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310

Contact your state notary regulator for information on dealing with sovereign citizens.

Reply by Notary1/CO on 7/9/12 9:53am
Msg #426057

Sovereign Citizen article from NNA

http://www.nationalnotary.org/bulletin/bulletin_articles/notaries_can_say_no_to_sovereign_citizens.html

Reply by FlaNotary2 on 7/9/12 9:56am
Msg #426058

these people ask for us to certify mailings and all sorts of

things that we as notaries can not do. The process is completely unlawful and fraudulent. I won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Reply by Les_CO on 7/9/12 10:42am
Msg #426063

Re: these people ask for us to certify mailings and all sorts of

I do very little general notary work….for me it’s just not worth it. If called I ask if the party is ambulatory, and what the document is. If the first answer is yes I recommend a someone (a UPS store etc.) If the document is anything I don’t wish to witness (protests, presentments, UFO abductions, unwitnessed wills, etc.) I am simply not available.

Reply by Notary1/CO on 7/9/12 12:07pm
Msg #426075

Unwitnessed wills in Colorado

Colorado law regarding notarized wills was changed in 2009 and was effective July 1, 2010. A notarized will without witnesses, acknowledged by the testator, is a legal alternative to wills that are attested by two witnesses. See Colorado Revised Statutes 15-11-502.

Reply by Les_CO on 7/9/12 6:50pm
Msg #426123

Re: Unwitnessed wills in Colorado

For me there is more to consider than the absolute legality of a document. I included unwitnessed wills along with UFO abductions to state my particular preference. I was not referencing ‘uncontested’ unwitnessed holographic wills. It is my laymens opinion that a holographic will be just that; written and signed in the testators own hand, nothing else. Let the court decide ‘without me’ if it’s valid or not. I don’t need the $5 that bad.

Reply by Notary1/CO on 7/9/12 9:18pm
Msg #426171

Re: Unwitnessed wills in Colorado

I did not say anything about holographic wills. Colorado law allows for a will with no witnesses required. All that is needed is a notarized acknowledgment. This makes the process simpler when witnesses are not readily available. Read the law, CRS 15-11-502. Would you let a hospital patient die without a notarized will because you refuse to notarize an acknowledgment?