Posted by Gizmo on 7/24/12 8:40pm
Msg #427940

help

my son put my packages in the USPS box instead of the UPS box!!!! Of course, it is too late to call anyone at either place tonight!

Reply by Claudine Osborne on 7/24/12 8:46pm
Msg #427941

I would get my butt to the post office very early in hopes of getting them out of there! At least you know where they are! Hopefully they will hold them there!
Good luck!

Reply by Michelle/AL on 7/24/12 9:14pm
Msg #427946

I agree w/Claudine. If it were me I would take the extra step of calling the Postmaster General's office (or whoever is in charge at that location) and leave a voicemail message. I'd call tonight and then again around 4am. When you go to the P.O. In the morning take with you copies of the air bill and plenty of ID.

Reply by Belinda/CA on 7/24/12 9:16pm
Msg #427947

Be sure you read the mail box and know what time it is

going to be picked up! Then figure it will be picked up early.
Be at the post office before it opens with all kinds of ID!
Take a copy of the airbills to verify they are indeed your packages. How else would you have duplicate airbills?
Even take a copy of your workorder.
Anything you can think of. ;o)
Some people can be very difficult!!!
Hope you actually get some rest tonight.

Reply by Blueink_TN on 7/24/12 9:24pm
Msg #427949

This is actually a very common mistake. The carriers all receive other carriers packages in their boxes and they know they need to drop in the appropriate box. I wouldn't worry too much, it may delay delivery by a day (if that).

Reply by Clem/CA on 7/24/12 11:47pm
Msg #427955

Ummm Why would your son have a package in his hand? Isn't that your job from start to finish?

Reply by HisHughness on 7/25/12 10:56am
Msg #427990

My thoughts exactly: Your assignment, you drop. n/m

Reply by Stephanie Santiago on 7/25/12 12:25pm
Msg #428005

Very true Clem n/m

Reply by 101livescan on 7/25/12 12:07am
Msg #427956

I don't let any one else handle my packages, ever. It's your gig! I can't imagine your anxiety right now. Although, once I dropped a package into UPS meant for FEDEX, and when I returned at PU time, the UPS guy said this is pretty common and the two are very reciprocal in making sure the packages get to the right place, but not necessarily the same day.

Reply by MW/VA on 7/25/12 9:11am
Msg #427971

Probably won't be a total disaster. As far as I know the USPS won't give back a letter or pkg. USPS is now tied to UPS, so it should be passed along to the appropriate carrier. I hope you have the tracking no.
I'm sure you've learned a valuable lesson about having someone else handle the pkgs.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 7/25/12 9:43am
Msg #427976

Why they say"Insanity is hereditary"

You get it from your children
Good Luck
Back about 10 years ago, UPS bosex and DHL boxes were both red and white.
I used the wrong one. The driver must have put it into the correct box as it showed up a day late.
If you are very lucky, the USPS driver may just deposit your pkg in a UPS box.
You might want to check the UPS website to see if it is tracking before running to the Post office.

Reply by HisHughness on 7/25/12 11:04am
Msg #427993

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***Back about 10 years ago, UPS bosex***

I'm not acquainted with that technique, but it sounds exciting. Is it practiced only with Saturday pickups? Do you use standard delivery? How do you distinguish between one-night stands and priority overnights?

Reply by NJDiva on 7/25/12 11:09am
Msg #427994

No one but you, HUGH, no one but YOU!!!

Thanks for the chuckle. Getting ready for four back to backs today! Have 2 sets already! woo hoo

Don't ya just love EOM!

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 7/25/12 11:19am
Msg #427995

Bosex is not permitted for septugenarians unless

they take a full physical and have a note from their doctor.
It would probably be ok if the other party is at least an octogenarian.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/25/12 11:21am
Msg #427996

Yup.

If you have a need for a public flogging, posting your a mistake you already regret is a sure way to get it.

Reply by Clem/CA on 7/25/12 11:37am
Msg #427997

Re: Yup.

Kinda like the post you just made?

Reply by Barb25 on 7/25/12 11:59am
Msg #427999

Re-read your post.

What was your point? I don't want to argue. Just saying. Besides someone made a mistake. Obviously you have not ever. That is nice for you.

Besides. It also could have happened to her. So what. Not the end of the world. An inconvenience at best. Egg on face at worse. Oh, and I don't always drop my own packages. BUT, I do take responsibility for them. To each his own.

Reply by HisHughness on 7/25/12 12:10pm
Msg #428001

Re: Re-read your post.

***What was your point?***

His point, Barbara, was that a signing agent should not surrender the task of dropping packages to anyone else, EVEN if the agent says she retains responsibility. It may, in fact, be a violation of the law for an agent to place executed documents in the hands of someone unaffiliated with the transaction. It is not a good practice, and Clem was quite correct in making that point.

It is not a matter of "to each his own." It is a matter of what the law imposes on you, and what both lenders and title companies expect when they hire you.

Further, it was not a public flogging. Clem has a particular approach to how he handles executed documents; I share that approach. The poster has a different, and both Clem and I believe, an unacceptable approach. He made the point, and that point only, and I gather it was a point that needed to be made with that poster, since she had someone else drop the packet.

Nowhere did he say he was perfect in performance. That was a snarky and undeserved comment.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/25/12 12:30pm
Msg #428008

To Hugh

First let me point out that my comment was not directed to anyone but the OP. Some comments were very nice and were suggestions as to what she should do to rectify the situation. How to get the package back and to where it was intended to go. But as usual, there were those who had to go after her as to why she did that. Come on. Clem decided to take this personally and take me on. So this was on him. Not me.

And now you want to go after me. Give me a break. You have just decided to go after me. Why. In your case you just like to go after women, it so seems. That aside. You want to give me some BS about breaking a law. I don't think so. When I hand a package to the UPS guy or when and if I ask my husband to drop my package at Fedex it is my decision and my responsibility. Show me some laws that say I cannot do this. I have yet to have a title company tell me that. I am not going to play these silly games with you.

People should stop judging others by the standards they set up for themselves. That is all I meant. And if you can't get on board with that it is your problem not mine.

Reply by HisHughness on 7/25/12 12:44pm
Msg #428014

Well...

***In your case you just like to go after women, it so seems.***

Actually, at my advanced age, that happens only in my fevered imagination. And since I would never ever no way no how be snarky on this forum, I will avoid saying that even when I was younger, I was selective about the women I went after.

You need to avoid posting until later in the day, Barb. Apparently your paranoia is more rampant in the morning.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/25/12 12:47pm
Msg #428015

Stick to the subject n/m

Reply by bfnotary on 7/25/12 5:45pm
Msg #428077

Re: To Hugh

I agree Barb, I have my husband drop off packages, if i am swamed. I am sure title will not mind as long it gets to them. I mean I seal the packages and he drops them. No big deal.

Reply by HisHughness on 7/25/12 6:27pm
Msg #428079

Belinda, it is not a matter of agreeing with Barb25, or me

...regardless of how personally offensive and snarky she wishes to be. It is a matter of what is required of you by law. My understanding is that as long as loan documens are in your control, access to them is to be limited and they are to remain secure at all times. "Secure" does not mean in a zipped up FedEx envelope in somebody else's hands.

Now, you might choose to handle your business differently than what I think is required by law. I would suggest, though, if that particular chicken ever comes home to roost, you not defend what you do by squawking "Barb told me to do it."

Reply by Barb25 on 7/26/12 1:41am
Msg #428090

Hugh, don't be a bad sport. Is snarky a Texas legal term...

I don't think so. What is personally offensive? Someone not agreeing with you? Where exactly is this law you keep referencing? Give it a rest. And stop trying to intimidate people with these references to broken laws with nothing to back them up.

Start to treat people with some respect and get down off that high horse before you fall down and hurt yourself.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/26/12 9:06am
Msg #428111

Re: Belinda, it is not a matter of agreeing with Barb25, or me

Dear Belinda,

I am sorry that have been put into the line of fire of Hugh's crazy anger with me. I am not sure what he is talking about with this personally offensive and snarky "stuff" he is talking about because you are reading what I am reading. However,

There is no law that I know of that says you cannot let anyone go to a mailbox or Fedex box to drop a package. Until someone tells you that you are a mature thinking person. How dare he tell you

"Now, you might choose to handle your business differently than what I think is required by law. I would suggest, though, if that particular chicken ever comes home to roost, you not defend what you do by squawking "Barb told me to do it.""

Please NOTE that HE said "what "I" think is required by "Law"... And who died and made him Commander in chief of the universe. The man is an egomaniac.

Whether or not you decide to drop your own packages from now on it your business. If the package gets lost the TC will not care who dropped it just that it gets found and personally, if truth be told they wouldn't even be asking the question who.

Anyhow. It is not just you and I who do this. And there is no law. Management 101 in business is that you delegate. By the way, Fedex drops overnight packages at your door and leaves them if you are not home. "Call the police"

Have a great day and thank for the support.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/26/12 9:11am
Msg #428112

Well I thought this was a PM, I guess not. n/m

Reply by HisHughness on 7/26/12 10:45am
Msg #428120

From the egomaniac

Dear Belinda:

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act sets forth the federal requirements for protecting consumer information under the Safeguards Rule. That act, among other things, requires consumer information retained by financial institutions, such as mortgage brokers and lending institutions, to restrict access to consumer information. It applies to financial institutions in all of their processes -- INCLUDING SIGNING AGENTS. The GLB Act is the reason that occasionally NSAs will receive reminders from lenders that they need to appropriately protect consumer information.

There is a caveat to what I have said above: It applies in the universe that you and I inhabit. Apparently, it does not apply in the universe inhabited and ruled by Barb25, wherein only she is the source of all knowledge.

In OUR universe, I would suggest that you never surrender control of consumer documents to anyone until such time as you are ready to deposit them with a carrier.

Happy signings,

The Egomaniac

Reply by Barb25 on 7/26/12 11:18am
Msg #428126

Re: From the egomaniac

This is a stretch even for you.

Right now I am going to take the advice of a very wise man. He is the very same man who manages to find his way to a Fedex box for me on occasion without incidence. In addition to that inate intelligence he has imparted this wisdom "Not every action requires a reaction." I believe this is the moment to use that wisdom.

Have a nice day

Reply by HisHughness on 7/26/12 11:44am
Msg #428131

Re: From the egomaniac

***Right now I am going to take the advice of a very wise man.***

Was he the guy who said, "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging"?

You did not know what you were talking about when you started this exchange, and the only thing you have learned during it apparently is that you popped off when you should not have.

Reply by Barb25 on 7/26/12 12:11pm
Msg #428136

Wow. I must have really gotten to you. You just can't let

this go. I am really sorry about that.

Reply by bfnotary on 7/26/12 7:02pm
Msg #428191

Re: From the egomaniac

If it was such a law, why is it not required to have signatures required on loan doc deliveries? They are not safe, as I stated before, Ups and fed ex, both drop docs on my porch and leave em there. Either way out of all the docs I have had to drop, my husband has dropped off 3 sealed envelopes for me. And brought me my receipt. I don't let him see confidential information, Never, I do however trust him more than i do, some joe shmoe, at ups or fedex.

Reply by bfnotary on 7/26/12 6:58pm
Msg #428190

Re: Belinda, it is not a matter of agreeing with Barb25, or me

sry just now saw forums again, have been kinda busy. In my opinion, how do i know if documents are secure once they leave my hands, They get handled by a ton of ups people. I have received overnight docs before, and those docs are never left with me. Ups drops em on the porch. Every time, never even knock on my door. How secure is that.? Just sayin....

Reply by bfnotary on 7/25/12 12:12pm
Msg #428002

Re: Re-read your post.

My husband has dropped my packages a couple times for me, when I was swamped. Then again, I am still responsible for them. And he knows not to mess up. lol. I write a list of where to drop them. I have only needed him to do that 3 times so far. And he did good. lol. Oh and I already have them prepared. And labeled. (I would never trust anyone to do that.)

Reply by bfnotary on 7/25/12 12:15pm
Msg #428003

let me add...

and sealed, so he cannot see anything contained in those documents. He just hands them to fed ex or ups and gets my receipt. And that is it.

Reply by Gizmo on 7/25/12 12:21pm
Msg #428004

Re: let me add...

got pkgs back from PO, dropped in right box. it is a good day

Reply by bfnotary on 7/25/12 12:28pm
Msg #428007

Re: let me add...

Well that is good!!! You probably feel a whole lot better.

Reply by Gizmo on 7/25/12 12:30pm
Msg #428009

Re: let me add...

you have no idea!!!

Reply by Barb25 on 7/25/12 12:33pm
Msg #428011

The real good news in all of this! n/m

Reply by MW/VA on 7/25/12 6:59pm
Msg #428082

Whewwww! Good for you! :-) n/m

Reply by CH2inCA on 7/25/12 12:32pm
Msg #428010

Another bullet for the long already Notary instructions :0)

I can imagine "Do not let others drop packages for you." added to some ss instructions for notaries.
Anyone want to bet?

Glad you got your docs back Gizmo!! Stuff like this send us into a panic! But most often get resolved nicely.

Reply by Gizmo on 7/25/12 4:45pm
Msg #428066

Re: Another bullet for the long already Notary instructions :0)

OMG, my bloodpressure was probably over 1000! LOL

Reply by Belinda/CA on 7/25/12 4:59pm
Msg #428068

Gizmo - had a fellow notary drop in USPS box once. It took

him 48 hours to get the package back because the carrier felt she had to get permission from the Postmaster before handing it over to someone. Then she was off work the next day. It was a total nightmare. I thought my friend was going to have a stroke. He did survive and is going strong today.

Reply by Belinda/CA on 7/25/12 5:00pm
Msg #428069

Didn't want to tell you that last night! :o) n/m

Reply by MarkF on 7/26/12 7:49am
Msg #428101

Wow, I don't let anyone touch my packages. I deliver Fed Ex to the local Fed Ex office and get a receipt. Ups is very close also, drop off get a recipt. Staple to the confirmation.

Reply by Gizmo on 7/26/12 9:29pm
Msg #428216

I am just happy to live in a small town that they know me and my family and had no issues getting packages back to ship immediately!!