Posted by bfnotary on 5/18/12 10:45pm
Msg #421281

Notary Ink. Paid in advance with pay pal.

Tammy from Notary Ink was very pleasant on phone. I accepted job from her. Then I jumped on here to check them out. Saw the very bad reviews. I sent her an email explaining what I had read, She offered to pay me in advance via pay pal. She paid. I did signing. Very nice lady to work for. I will work for her again. clean docs too.

Reply by LKT/CA on 5/18/12 11:35pm
Msg #421287

Keeping deadbeat companies in business (by accepting upfront paypal) is frowned upon here. It's disrespectful to your notary colleagues who've been cheated by them. No one cares that the lady was "nice". It's a matter of ethics, integrity and honesty, which with "very bad reviews", this company lacks.

By the way, paypal can be challenged or reversed. Keeping deadbeats in business gives them one more day to stiff the next notary.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 5/19/12 12:22pm
Msg #421318

It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

thing that you got paid on someone else's back - basically you were paid using money owed to another notary.

One example: Msg #420486 posted 5/10/12 - two months payment overdue. And I'm sure, judging from what I read here, that there are many more.

My problem with advance payment with paypal is not only does it promote keeping the bad guys in business...but once you're paid that's it - you're toast if anything comes up deserving a fee hike. Good luck fighting for more money when you're already paid in full whatever fee you've agreed to (which most times those that pay via pay pal pay very low) and you receive a 200 page package, docs are wrong, redraws, reprints, angry borrowers etc etc

IMO (and note this is IMO - I have no experience with this company - this is just general observation) - those that offer to pay in advance via pay pal are having problems filling their orders for a very good reason.

JMNSHO

Reply by bfnotary on 5/19/12 1:58pm
Msg #421324

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

It is my choice on whom I want to work with and how I want to get paid. I did a job for $xxx and got paid in advance. That is my given right to do so. And to the recent notaries who have not been paid, imo that is their own fault considering the bad reviews are from as far back as 2010 or maybe earlier(i forget). Anyways they still took the jobs. In my situation, I did take the job, and was paid in advance for doing so. I would say that makes me smarter. Imo. But either way, I will continue working with them. And considering I asked about any recent reviews of them on here and got no response. (from anyone), no one has any right to judge me for doing it my way. That is all I have to say about this matter. I did a job, got paid. End of story..

Reply by bfnotary on 5/19/12 2:09pm
Msg #421325

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Just wanted to add, That not only was Tammy nice, But the docs were on time (early even), The docs were well put together. And no problems what so ever with signing

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 5/19/12 2:47pm
Msg #421327

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Blame the vcitim?: "And to the recent notaries who have not been paid, imo that is their own fault."

"No one has any right to judge me for doing it my way." Oh, yes we do, especially when you post on a professional forum.

"I did a job, got paid. End of story." Hardly. You are just the latest player in an apparently never-ending cycle of notaries who think they are smarter than everybody else and as long as they get theirs, f*** everybody else. Unfortunately, you are not alone.

In any case, your honesty is startling; your ethics are nauseating.

Reply by bfnotary on 5/19/12 3:31pm
Msg #421329

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

I enjoy my job very much, But to be honest, that is what I do. I get calls, I get docs, I go do the job, I get paid. In this particular case, I got paid in advance. And that was my choice to do so, well mine and Tammy's.

But what I am trying to say here is the fact that I will do my job however I see fit. To the other notaries who have not been paid, I am sorry. But what does that have to do with me? I can't get you your money. And I am not turning away a job for $xxx. Especially when they are willing to pay in advance. Don't know about the rest of you. But I have children that come before anyone else. (just trying to say, sorry yall didn't get paid, But I gotta feed my babies).. And I found a job in which I love and I am very good at it.

And all I was doing is praising a company which in my eyes deserves it.. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Same as yall just expressed your opinions. In my eyes that's exactly what they were, Opinions.. And I will continue to give my opinions on companies, the same as everyone else does.

That is what this forum is all about, (so i thought).

But I am starting to see it is bashing the notaries whom haven't been members as long. The only ones entitled to opinions is old-timers. I see that now. I guess I will limit my opinions until I become an old timer..

Oh but I will continue to work for Tammy, and that is my choice.

Reply by LKT/CA on 5/19/12 3:55pm
Msg #421330

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

<<<And all I was doing is praising a company which in my eyes deserves it....... But what I am trying to say here is the fact that I will do my job however I see fit. To the other notaries who have not been paid, I am sorry. But what does that have to do with me? I can't get you your money. And I am not turning away a job for $xxx. Especially when they are willing to pay in advance. Don't know about the rest of you. >>>

If you praise deadbeats (1 and 2.5 star companies) and take the position that so what if others are cheated - you get paid and you'll continue to work for thieves - prepare to get blasted.

Secondly, there have been others like you in the past - accepting advanced payment and thinking they're doing the "smart" thing. The eventual result to this? - those same posters who thumbed their nose at the advice/warning of others came here whining and complaining because the deadbeat company they thought was so wonderful to THEM, at some point cheated them too.

The deadbeat SS pays a few signings in advanced and gains the notary's trust, after which, they change their tactic - a slight deviation from their advanced pay offer. Then they don't send it AT ALL; or they send LESS than the agreed upon fee, usually the lowball fee they wish to pay; or they'll manufacture problems to blame on the notary as a ruse to reverse paypal payment.

By keeping the deadbeat in business, you are setting yourself up to be another statistic in their non-payment game. Consider yourself warned.

Reply by bfnotary on 5/19/12 4:04pm
Msg #421331

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Thanks for your opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. And I agree, if I do get stiffed in the future by her, that will be my fault. And I would post my review in SC. Same as the others.

But when I get stiffed by companies I go to title, and I eventually get my money. But I wasn't willing to do this signing without pre-payment, which she offered. So I accepted. I took the precautions to not get stiffed. Alot of people must take signings from her and others that have a not so good rep, or they would be out of business. Just think about it. There are postings from 2010 ish, and It is now halfway through 2012 and she is still here. I will keep working for her until she does me wrong. I do only work for fees at least $xxx. Anything less than that isn't worth my time or my time away from my kids. I have to make decisions on my own of how to run my business and stay in business. And if that means taking precautions then I just have to do that. Have a good weekend all.

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 5/19/12 6:32pm
Msg #421338

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

It's interesting to me that most (not all) of the notaries who boast on NR about how they got paid from a scumbag SS while not giving a hoot about keeping the bums in business use the same defense: they have to put food on the table, they have to feed themselves and now the latest: "sorry yall didn't get paid, But I gotta feed my babies."

Now, that's hard to argue with, but the fact is: we all gotta eat.

Reply by bfnotary on 5/19/12 6:56pm
Msg #421339

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Lol having to feed my little ones, wasn't the point of that.. The whole point was, I am in this business to make money. And that is what I shall do. Even if it means working for "scum bags"... Which by the way, imo, Tammy is not. Imo, nobody is a scum bag, until they do me wrong. And I will continue to take jobs from most companies until they do me wrong. In my book, I will give them all a chance. One other way I will not give a company a chance is if they have screwed over my mom. Then I know better.

And as far as the comment I made about feeding my kids, That was simply stating that I am in this to make money (and to meet new people). Not to please other notaries. While some of you are very very nice. Others not so much.. And I would love to thank those of you that sent me emails, and pm's that agree with me.

Reply by KODI/CA on 5/19/12 10:05pm
Msg #421344

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

For you to continue to keep disreputable companies in business, for whatever your reasons, is disgusting.

You say what you want, but to me you prostitute your services without any consideration of the profession you are supposed to represent.

JMHO

Reply by riverdaleny on 5/21/12 7:56am
Msg #421378

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Big up to you bfnotary. I don't understand the hate nor the way people think sometimes. It seems to me that misery wants company. Question to the angry crowd. Do you shop for the cheapest products? Do you negotiate fees? If a pair of shoes at DSK cost $50 less than Nordstroms, do you leave them on the rack and shop at Nordstroms? Does it matter to you that YOU may be undercutting someone else? No and in my opinion you should not. We are all adults and do what's best for our situations.

Secondly, it's not that others don't want to be receptive to your valued experience. But I often see the pack of wolves mentality. But understand this. Don't ever think a young wolf won't bite back. This is supposed to be a forum for professionals, not a gang beat in. NO NOTARY IS TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU! Having a family to feed is not an excuse. If it is and you are not for excuses then continue fight your fight while others like bfnotary put food on the table.

And how is she prostituting her services? Do you know how much her fee was? Or upset with her because she got paid and someone else didn't? I can imagine what would be said if someone knew her fee was higher and she still got paid. Do you turn down work because a SS called you because another Notary's fee was higher than your Normal fee. Is that consideration for your profession or do you even give that a thought as long as they meet your fee. And if there should be so much solidarity among the profession why does everyone keep their fees a secret? Hmm. Because of fear that someone will be cut out. It's called business. You run yours as you see fit. So expect and respect others when they do the same. Seems a lot of people want to discourage newbies from entering the business. The picture becomes clearer daily.

Reply by Susan Fischer on 5/21/12 8:28am
Msg #421384

Five Star post, riverdaleny. n/m

Reply by bfnotary on 5/21/12 8:30am
Msg #421385

Re: It's a good thing you got paid...unfortunately, it's a sad

Thanks riverdaleny. Others have responded to me via pm and 2 emails. It was nice to see one person agree with me in the forums. Thanks again.

Reply by Stephanie Santiago on 5/21/12 3:39pm
Msg #421436

Riverdale NY - Well Put..couldn't have said it better. n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 5/21/12 7:23am
Msg #421376

"That is all I have to say about this matter. "

Yet, you posted 4 more messages.

I'm going to yawn already this morning - not from sleepiness but from the extreme chatter from one who is so "right".

For being in an area that is not overrun with signing agents, you lack the confidence in your ability to say to no questionable things. Oh, well, your choices.

Reply by riverdaleny on 5/21/12 8:00am
Msg #421379

Re: "That is all I have to say about this matter. "

And with that said it is still my opinion you all offer good advice. I just don't like the gang metality.

Reply by jba/fl on 5/21/12 9:11am
Msg #421388

"I just don't like the gang metality. "

I am not quite sure what you mean by this statement. I appears to me that several people offered their opinions, independent of each other, in response to an opinion(s).

So if I get this correctly, you are saying that only one person should respond to any opinion/question/remark on this forum? How will it be decided who should be allowed to respond? I know that I do not seek others opinions/permission to respond to a message posted....and if it were true gang mentality, wouldn't several members have to get together to agree to do something prior to posting? I know I never ask anyone else, so I just don't understand your thoughts here. Please help me.

Now I feel I should keep quiet and never bother to opine, comment, correct wrong statements, etc. I also feel that this smacks of censorship. Do you not see that? Oh, well, sometimes the blind leading the blind brings good results. Who am I to be in the way of progress and new methods.

I do agree though that each of us runs our own businesses as we see fit, modifying where we see fit, etc.

Reply by NJDiva on 5/21/12 11:28am
Msg #421400

Does everyone understand the bottom line is not WHAT is

charged, or that someone is undercutting or smarter than someone else, or that they have a right to run their business however they see fit, etc, etc., to ad nauseum?

The true message here is the fact that OTHER notaries are being deceived, defrauded, taken advantage of, ripped off, etc. As was mentioned, when we get paid by immediate payment (which, btw does not make anyone smarter, it's been going on for YEARS! It doesn't make it right, but it has been..), THAT payment is in fact someone else's payment (blood money, their hard earned money.) The company has not been paid for the signing you are getting prepaid for yet. And if a company is a 1 or 2 star company (AND FOR YEARS!) for deceiving, defrauding, taking advantage of, ripping off others, it's obvious that they are living off the backs of others (how about those poor people that have to rob our homes or hold up a bank, maybe murder so they don't get caught? They have to support their families too after all! Oh, I know, you're not as BAD as they are-of course they JUSTIFY it that way.)

It seems like this very important message has turned into Belinda being victimized by members on the board. This isn't about Belinda and how she runs her business (though some of it DOES have to do with coming on here and BOASTING about supporting a disreputable company-I know I got a physical reaction in my gut. Mostly sadness for the mentality.) This is about the victims, past, present and future that have no idea about Notary Rotary or any of the other sites. I propose that maybe Belinda was put on the defensive because it looked like she was being ganged up on. I refuse to believe that she really means that she doesn't CARE about whether others get defrauded or victimized. That's like saying she would commit fraud and notarize something she KNOWS is fraudulent. I'll certainly give her the benefit of a doubt.

You (if the shoe fits wear it, but ONLY if it fits wear it, I expect defensive responses if it does) are setting THEM up to get victimized. If you are with a robber when he holds up a store, you are considered an accessory. If someone gets murdered by accident and you are with them, you go to jail for murder too. If you accept stolen goods, you get arrested for possessing stolen goods. As long as these companies get their assignments covered, they will stay in business. And if they've gotten to the point that A FEW are going to request payment up front, because you are LUCKY (fortunate) enough to KNOW about this site and others, then of COURSE they're going to pay up front!!!! They have to get it covered to STAY IN BUSINESS. How else are they going to make money from the other poor unsuspecting notaries?

This isn't about how "nice" someone is. After all, everyone's heard the saying " Beware of a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing." It's meaning: "Someone who hides malicious intent under the guise of kindliness." There is another company on here where the owner, "F", who runs a business with a very fast name, is a sweetheart! But he's STILL a lying, cheating, manipulating (sometimes thief-not to me because as Belinda mentioned, I GOT mines! I had to act like a raving maniac, but I got mines-oh yes I said MINES!)

Okay, so giving people the benefit of a doubt, I'm going to put out there that maybe you didn't consider this point of view. But NOW you know. If you continue to fill these orders for these people (COMPANIES) that are going to-or have already-lied, cheated and stolen from others-again, past, present and future-because they're being KEPT IN BUSINESS, then all I can say is that karma is a bi*%h. It's sad to subject your children and family to what is going to come back around on YOU. Because as the saying goes, "Ya lose it the way you get it." I hope you don't live in a glass house. I hope taxes are being paid, there's no assistance being provided, etc., etc. I'm not pointing out Belinda or anyone ELSE on this site. Don't start attacking me!!!! I'm JUST SAYIN!!! I could really care less if you pay your taxes or are getting assistance etc. It always catches up no matter how it gets there.

I'm going to end with this, there are only 9 other notaries within a 50 MILE RADIUS OF BELINDA!!!!! For G*d's SAKE, if you're going to get paid via Paypal (I would venture to say that if you live in an area that is inundated with other NSA's they'll move on to the next poor sap that doesn't know any better.) at least double or TRIPLE the fee. If they want to get it covered bad enough (so as to stay in business) they'll PAY it. Why not, it's not coming out of THEIR POCKET ANYWAY!!!

I'd like to say I'm pure and have room to pass judgement, unfortunately I'm NOT. So with that said, this is only my OPINION of my understanding and what I have been taught about morals, values, integrity and ethics. Though I don't profess to follow them to perfection, I pray that I keep an open mind and be willing to correct the behaviors that keep me from being a person of dignity and honor. That is what our code of ethics is, isn't it?

Wishing everyone a blessed and abundant end of month and beyond.

Reply by NJDiva on 5/21/12 11:51am
Msg #421403

And Susan, I don't understand the five star post endorsement

But please feel free not to explain. Just sayin...

Reply by KODI/CA on 5/21/12 11:55am
Msg #421404

This truly is a FIVE STAR n/m

Reply by KODI/CA on 5/21/12 11:59am
Msg #421407

Re: This truly is a FIVE STAR

OOOPs, went too fast.

Meant to refer to Cheryl's post.

Reply by HisHughness on 5/21/12 11:58am
Msg #421406

Relax, everybody...

...this is not going to be as long as Cheryl's. And it may not pay the same Diva-dend.

Whereas I can understand her position, it is not one that I take in my business. I am simply not in business to keep other people in business; I am in business to put beans and cornbread on my own table.

To that end, and in support of my profession, I will not accept lowball fees, nor will I accept being taken advantage of -- excessive faxbacks, onerous requirments -- by those who hire me. That does not mean that I will not accept assignments from companies that sometimes/often/generally pay lowball fees. If they meet my fee, and I have assurance of payment by whatever method, I will accept an assignment.

If others object to doing business with a company, regardless of the fee the company is willing to pay, I respect their decision. But I also expect them to respect my decision. I intensely dislike Best Buy; I find their corporate policies anti-consumer and detrimental to customers. So I don't do business with them. That doesn't give me the right to pass moral judgment on those who for whatever reason -- bargain prices, variety of products offered, proximity to home -- elect to do business with Best Buy. When enough customers are offended by Best Buy's policies -- which, incidentally, may actually be happening -- then Best Buy will either change those policies or become Bye-Buy.

Demanding that all signing agents decline to accept even appropriately funded assignments from lowballing companies will never be an effective approach to changing their policies. There is a greater likelihood of success in doing that if signing agents simply demand fair payment.

CAVEAT: If any regular on this board ever accepts an assignment from SOX or an infamous New York attorney, I personally will make a large contribution to a fund to hire some of Cheryl's New Jersey cousins with baseball bats and an affinity for kneecaps to let them know there are lines that shouldn't be crossed.

Reply by NJDiva on 5/21/12 12:17pm
Msg #421410

Oh HUGH...You so crazy!!! yes I said YOU!

NO WHERE IN MY POST, did you see me say LOWBALLING!!! That is a whole other topic of painful opinions! I'm sure I'll get the opportunity to share them at some point. Although, I DO live in a glass house...lol

I'm talking about NON PAYERS, deceitful, lying, manipulating companies that have to pay paypal becausde of it. What the hail (yes I said HAIL) DOES that have to do with my post?...lol

Riiiiiiiight?????

Oh, and YES, I had to revert to those idle threats when it came to "F"...lmao WTH, it worked!

Reply by NJDiva on 5/21/12 12:43pm
Msg #421414

PS "F" paid me by PayPal...6 months AFTER the closing... n/m

Reply by HisHughness on 5/21/12 12:57pm
Msg #421415

Sorry, should have made it plain.

My attitude is the same whether the topic is lowballing or deadbeat companies. If they pay my fee, and if I have assurance of payment, I will take an assignment.

To accept an assignment with an unacceptably low fee, or without assurance of payment from a company with a deadbeat history, is to confirm them in their behavior. An appropriate fee with assurance of payment does not do that; it affirms appropriate behavior.

Reply by NJDiva on 5/21/12 2:52pm
Msg #421422

hmmmm...that's what you call it?

"a company with a deadbeat history"

Really Hugh?

I think you're having one of your senile moments again, as you have stated on numerous occasions your disdain for them.

Admit it, you're just being the voice of controversy. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were still practicing law! Are you a politician too? LMAO

I know I'm going to get abused for this one! Sorry Hugh...roflmao...I just had to!!!

Reply by NJDiva on 5/22/12 12:31pm
Msg #421513

OMG...I didn't mean SENILE...I meant SENIOR...LMAO

oopsie! Freudian slip. I'm sorry Hugh!