Posted by Shoshana/AZ on 9/5/12 2:40pm
Msg #433204

Don't you just love it when...

Title insists that you notarize your own sig? This was the ID Cert in a Quicken Loan package. There must be a lot of notaries who do that!

Reply by janCA on 9/5/12 2:50pm
Msg #433210

is this the one where you are certifying to the information on the DLs of the borrowers? I always sign, but certainly don't put my seal on there. I've never had TS challenge that.

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/5/12 2:52pm
Msg #433211

Yes, that's the one.

By the way, we verify, not certify on that form.

Reply by HisHughness on 9/5/12 3:13pm
Msg #433214

Re: Yes, that's the one.

***By the way, we verify, not certify on that form.***

That is a distinction without a difference. According to Webster's New World Dictionary:
Certify: To declare (a thing) true, accurate, certain, etc. by formal statement, often in writing; verify; attest.

Unless the law in your state makes a legal distinction, the two mean the same thing. The whole question is rendered moot, of course, if one simply uses the term "notarize."

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/5/12 3:23pm
Msg #433218

Hugh, in AZ the law is very clear about what we can certify.

Noah Webster was not a notary in AZ.

Reply by HisHughness on 9/5/12 3:35pm
Msg #433222

Re: Hugh, in AZ the law is very clear about what we can certify.

I don't think you understood the import of what I was saying. It does not matter -- unless there is a state law that distinguishes between the words "certify" and "verify" -- what you call it when you sign that document. You can say you are certifying it, or you can say you are verifying it. What you cannot do is <notarize> it. You cannot <notarize> your own signature, but you can certify or verify -- whatever word you choose to use -- the contents of the document by your signature.

Where did you get the idea that there was a distinction between certifying something and verifying something?

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/5/12 3:37pm
Msg #433224

Just ask any CA or AZ notary they will tell you the same. n/m

Reply by VT_Syrup on 9/5/12 3:27pm
Msg #433219

Re: Yes, that's the one.

I'm looking at one of those. To me, it seems like I'm just restating information that is already contained in the acknowledgements, or describing in more detail how I identified the signers. Since my state does not have regulations saying that I can only sign, in my capacity as a notary, certain specified certificates with mandated wording, I don't have a problem with this. Now, if they asked me to certify something that wasn't part of my normal notarial duties, for example, certifying that two signers were married, I wouldn't do it.

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/5/12 3:39pm
Msg #433226

Hugh has confused the issue.

The issue is can it be notarized? The answer is no because I cannot notarize my own signature.

Reply by HisHughness on 9/5/12 4:22pm
Msg #433238

Re: Hugh has confused the issue.

Shoshana, I haven't confused anything. Please, try to follow this:

1. You cannot notarize your own signature.

2. <Without> notarizing, you can certify anything you wish. You can certify that a list is indeed your grocery list. You can certify that something is a page from the diary you kept when you were 14. Or you can certify that you saw someone's drivers license and it contained certain information.

3. <Without> notarizing, you can verify anything you wish. You can verify that a list is indeed your grocery list. You can verify that something is indeed a page from the diary you kept when you were 14. Or you can verify that you saw someone's drivers license and it contained certain information.

The two words mean the same thing. The only reason I brought it up was that your comment put us on the road to another notary myth -- that there is a distinction between "certify" and "verify." To certify does NOT mean to notarize; it means to verify.

Hugh is not confused in the slightest. <HE> is well aware of the meaning of the two words. And to repeat what I said in my initial comment: UNLESS YOUR STATE LAW MAKES A DISTINCTION, then you are attemting to create a distinction without a difference.

Reply by RockyMO on 9/5/12 4:30pm
Msg #433240

Re: Yes, that's the one.

i would say who cares, just do what they require within the law

Reply by ToniK on 9/5/12 3:46pm
Msg #433231

Va notaries powers we can certify..... n/m

Reply by Buddy Young on 9/5/12 4:05pm
Msg #433233

I always sign those forms but never stamp them. ( patriot act forms)

Also there is a line for you to print your name and title. I print my name but never include my title because it's my understanding that we don't use our title unless it's on a notorial certificate. I've never been challanged on that.

Reply by jojo_MN on 9/5/12 4:19pm
Msg #433236

I don't include mine either n/m

Reply by Clem/CA on 9/5/12 3:28pm
Msg #433220

I just write down my commission # I don't use my stamp. never a problem

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 9/5/12 3:40pm
Msg #433227

Well, this particular TC (not TS) may be having a problem

with it. They can stand on their heads. I will not break the law.

Reply by jojo_MN on 9/5/12 4:10pm
Msg #433234

They aren't actually asking you to notarize it, they are

just asking you to sign it and stamp it to show that you are actually a notary and have a seal. I at first refused to put the stamp on and argued with them about it. At the time, I had told them that I obviously had my stamp and all they had to do was look at the doc package and they could see that I had my stamp.

I decided I should just pick my battles and asked if it is okay to just stamp it and put a line thru the stamp and initial it. They said that it was okay if I did it in that manner. We aren't notarizing it. We are not putting the venue or expiration dates etc. Just sign that you did everything you were supposed to do.

Reply by jojo_MN on 9/5/12 4:18pm
Msg #433235

For those of you that don't know the document

I, __________________, the undersigned notary public commissioned in the state of _________, have seen the government issued photo ID for the signatory(ies) and signed and sealed all jurats and acknowledgements included in this package in the presence of the signatory(ies).

notary stamp as proof of commission:

Notary Public _________________________
Signature

Reply by Linda Juenger on 9/5/12 4:21pm
Msg #433237

Re: For those of you that don't know the document

I sign but not stamp. Never have, never a problem. Never has come back

Reply by John Tennant on 9/5/12 4:28pm
Msg #433239

Re: For those of you that don't know the document

I do the same as Linda and also have never had a problem. Notarizing it would be notarizing your own signature IMHO which is of course illegal.

Reply by pan/nd on 9/5/12 4:33pm
Msg #433242

Re: For those of you that don't know the document

I have it easy:

I ran it by the SOS in North Dakota:

He says: "The law does not give you the power to certify in this state so don't do it!"

In addition he says the TS id form does not comply with the law here so don't use it.

Told that to TS several years ago..and that was the end of it.

Reply by jojo_MN on 9/5/12 4:51pm
Msg #433250

Re: For those of you that don't know the document

It does not state that you are certifying it.

Reply by Lee/AR on 9/5/12 4:33pm
Msg #433243

Ditto n/m

Reply by Calnotary on 9/5/12 4:42pm
Msg #433247

In CA you put your stamp ONLY when you are notarizing a...

signature.

Reply by jojo_MN on 9/5/12 4:52pm
Msg #433251

Re: For those of you that don't know the document

It has come back to me, that is why I stamp and then cross out. I'm not notarizing my own signature.

Reply by NJDiva on 9/6/12 11:16am
Msg #433364

I do the same thing as jojo, stamp, cross out and initial...

But I don't see that form hardly at all. It is making it clear that it's only a proof of commission.

Reply by rengel/CA on 9/5/12 4:41pm
Msg #433246

That wouldn't be lega in CA, jojo

The only thing we are to use our stamp for is a notarization. Is this legal in MN?

Reply by janCA on 9/5/12 7:43pm
Msg #433290

: That wouldn't be lega in CA, jojo

If you want to certify or verify as a signing agent, that is no problem. You just can't certify as a notary, which means, your signature along with the seal.

Reply by JPH13/MO on 9/6/12 12:47pm
Msg #433389

Quicken is aware of this - say to line thru and initial...

the wording to stamp as proof of commission. Someday they will get the revised form out there, but they are taking their sweet time doing so. You do NOT need to stamp and then cross your stamp out, you shouldn't be doing that.