Posted by F2F/FL on 9/7/12 6:54am
Msg #433484

I had a first last night

and I would like to know if it was a new form to be filled out for notaries or not. I will be watching out for it in the future. Luckily I saw it in time and filled in the state I am in which is FL.
I will attempt to duplicate it here for you and I would appreciate feedback if it is a common form and I have been missing it all along or it could be new and everyone should be watching for it.

_________________________________________________
Signature signed in the state of:
NOTARY PUBLIC

This was a package of 147 pages and we were almost finished when I came across it and my first thought was OH NO now I have to go back and check every one of the notarized pages and see how many I missed. Well after going back through the package to check my work anyway, I/we the BO's where happy to find that it was only on the last few forms at the end of the pkgs that called for the state to be filled in.
If I have missed this in other packages I have never been called on it, but I wanted to let everyone know that you may want to watch for it in your pkgs going forward.

Reply by HisHughness on 9/7/12 7:07am
Msg #433486

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Reply by Eve/VA on 9/7/12 7:52am
Msg #433487

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I read this before coffee, then after and still didn't get it.

Reply by jba/fl on 9/7/12 8:19am
Msg #433488

Are you saying that this is all that appeared on a page?

_________________________________________________
Signature signed in the state of:
NOTARY PUBLIC

If so, I would just forget about it unless, it goes with something on the previous page.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 9/7/12 8:40am
Msg #433491

I took it to mean that the notary was being asked to hand write the state where the notary signed, in addition to the venue that is stated elsewhere in the document.

Ordinarily this would be annoying, but not a real issue. But there could be issues in some situations:

1. States that have mandatory certificate wording.

2. Notaries who don't complete the certificate right away. For example, a Vermont notary does a signing in Vermont, and then drives to New York to get the car serviced. While waiting, the notary fills out the certificates from the signing. To be strictly truthful, the notary would have to write "County of xxx, State of Vermont" for the venue but "Signature signed in the state of New York."

Reply by MW/VA on 9/7/12 8:56am
Msg #433493

That's an interesting interpretation of venue. The

venue is the location where the signature is witnessed. Who cares where the notary is after the fact.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 9/7/12 9:05am
Msg #433495

Re: That's an interesting interpretation of venue. The

The form quoted by the original poster stated "Signature signed in the state of:". It didn't ask for the venue, it asked where the document was signed. Since the statement was next to the notary's signature, I took it to mean the form author wanted to know where the notary signed, but now that you mention it, it could also be asking where the principal signed. So this is a very badly thought out form. What actually matters is where the principal acknowledged the document, which could be different from where the principal or notary signed the document.

Reply by F2F/FL on 9/7/12 9:26am
Msg #433497

Re: Thank you all for your imput and

OK I will attempt to clear up what I was asking.
The last 3 documents to be notarized in the pkge asked the notary to include the state in which the signing was taking place (is what I assumed it meant).

Now I am assuming that no one else has seen this included as part of the notarized document Acknowledgement form before.

I will be watching out for this in the future pkges because I didn't want to leave it blank.
Sorry if I ruffled some feathers with my question.

Reply by jba/fl on 9/7/12 10:22am
Msg #433507

These kind of junky documents are everywhere.

Most of the people who draw up these documents don't have a clue as to how to do them - you will see mish mash everywhere. In Florida we have certain elements to include in our certs - yet as you are aware of by now, there are many you and I receive that contain less than half.

As for the inclusion of the State at the bottom below your signature, it is not required here as the venue is normally stated elsewhere, though we do fill them in as the hiring party seems to think it is necessary.

When I asked you earlier if this was all that was on the page, I meant your question was poorly phrased in order to give you a correct answer. You did not reply to my question, and I do not jump to conclusions and decide to interpret what another is trying to say. That is how misinformation gets started and passed around.

Reply by jba/fl on 9/7/12 10:31am
Msg #433508

Bullpucky VT - since you purport to be the

ultimate authority in all states, you should know that in Florida all, I mean ALL, certs are to be filled out at the table in front of the person whose signature is being notarized.

Since this is an incomplete question, you should have recognized that as well. Jumping to conclusions is never a good thing to do. Interpreting incomplete statements is not so good either. By putting words in to this persons mouth, you may have just unintentionally given bad or false information.

Just another reason getting info in a forum is not the best way to go.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 9/7/12 10:57am
Msg #433514

Re: Bullpucky VT - since you purport to be the

"Could" does not mean "always". Furthermore, can you name a single state that requires a person acknowledging a certificate to sign in the presence of the notary? In every state I've read about, the signer could have signed in another state and brought the document to the notary's state, then acknowledged it.

Reply by F2F/FL on 9/7/12 9:31am
Msg #433499

Re: VT_syrup

Your first line in your response was correct, the ack was asking the notary to hand write in the state inwhich the signing was taking place just below their signature.
I am not sure where everyone else was taking my question, but I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this before. This may be a new form and I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention so they don't miss it if it comes up in there doc's.
Thank you for understanding what I was saying.

Reply by NJDiva on 9/7/12 10:03am
Msg #433504

hmmm, okay, just one question...how long have you been doing

signings or just notarizing in particular?

Since you are not linked, I'm kinda thinking you may be trolling. Not saying you ARE, but this is a very bizarre revelation since it happens quite frequently.

I don't know, maybe I'm (WE'RE?) misunderstanding your post? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think I've ever seen you post here before.

How about linking your post so that we can take you seriously and help you to understand what it is you're trying to get clarification on. As far as I will assume, you are trolling and just looking to start controversy on the forum.

Reply by NJDiva on 9/7/12 10:10am
Msg #433505

I stand corrected, I see you've been posting here for about

A year and a half. Since that's the case, it's rather perplexing why the point in question would even be an issue? *shaking my head in bewilderment*

Reply by VT_Syrup on 9/7/12 10:14am
Msg #433506

Re: I stand corrected, I see you've been posting here for about

I think the issue would be that the notary is being asked to write some information in an unusual place, so it would be easy to overlook it and leave it blank. But then, since about half of document sets have at least one certificate that is strangely formatted, strangely worded, or hopelessly wrong, I suppose most notaries are used to looking at them carefully.

Reply by F2F/FL on 9/7/12 10:38am
Msg #433510

Re: I stand corrected, I see you've been posting here for about

Thank You VT_Syrup again you are insightful as to what I was asking.

NJDiva I am sorry if you are having a bad day and are wanting to take it out on someone who is just trying to clarify a form that she had not come across as yet. And yes I am very clear on checking my work to see if it is all done correctly. If you were to read my posts with a more open mind, you would see that I was just trying bring this form to others attention incase companies start using that format. ALONG WITH QUESTIONS COME'S HELP FOR OTHERS.
Hope you start to have a better day.
And yes I do post when I feel it is important, and not just because I want to waste other peoples time.

Reply by NJDiva on 9/7/12 11:11am
Msg #433517

Thank you for your most condescending post F2F, but

on the contrary, I'm having a great day.

I wasn't trying to condemn you, I just thought it was weird that you, not necessarily a new signer, would say you don't see/haven't seen it. I was just saying it is, in fact, quite common. Obviously, based on others responses, I am not alone in my bewilderment.

Had you not said you haven't seen it in the past, it may have conveyed that you were addressing it to newbies as an FYI.

So, my assumption that you just may be looking to start controversy seems to be a case in point to me and in my opinion. If not, then I apologize if I offended you in any way.

I encourage you, too, to have a wonderful day and thank you for bringing it to the attention of newbies. You are right, it could easily be missed.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

Again, I only wish you well. Good luck in your business.

Warmly,
Cheryl

Reply by bfnotary on 9/7/12 12:26pm
Msg #433538

Re: Thank you for your most condescending post F2F, but

I agree. I see those type of documents all the time. But some may not, I guess it really depends on who your clients are.

Reply by ToniK on 9/7/12 10:47am
Msg #433512

I see this all the time

I just write in the danggone state...folks its not that serious...geez!

Reply by bfnotary on 9/7/12 12:33pm
Msg #433540

Re: I see this all the time

Agree.

Reply by jnew on 9/7/12 11:39am
Msg #433519

The language of the requirement seems to be ambivalent and redundant. Does it refer to the acknowledging party/affiant or to the signature of the notary public? "Signature signed in State of __________? might indicate that if the former were true, it would create an extra requirement on an acknowledgment: That the signature must also be made in the notary's presence. It appears to be done by someone at the lending institution in search of a better mousetrap.

Reply by Pat/IL on 9/7/12 1:08pm
Msg #433545

While it seems, nowadays, that the venue is typically pre-populated onto all documents requiring notarization, it has not been the case for very long. Only a few years back, I remember checking several places on documents to be sure the state and county were filled.

Seems to me, in Illinois at least, the notary certificate lingo has been dumbed down to the point where I sign and stamp without thinking too much about filling in any blanks.

Good thread to remind us that there are always exceptions to the rule, and we shouldn't get too complacent with the automation.