Posted by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 9:53am
Msg #432985

does anyone know about Accurate Notary Signings (ANS)?

I know they have one star, but I do not see any comments posted. Are they at 1 star because they are just starting out or what should I determine from a 1 star without comments.

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 9:57am
Msg #432986

You have to click on where it says "Click here to view ratings and comments" - I have copied and pasted the comments here:

Date Rating Member Comment Author
8/16/2012 Out of business NH
2/27/2010 Contacting ESCROW will help you get paid.Always keep escrows ph # CA
1/9/2010 Out of Business IL
2/5/2008 No pay OR
1/15/2008 Recieved payment 6 mths later and then it bounced. CA
11/16/2007 I have been waiting for payment since 7/3/2007 today is 11/16/2007 PA
9/12/2007 Joe is nice; pays within 30 days FL
9/3/2007 Disreputable CA

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 9:58am
Msg #432988

Sorry, the link to click actually says "Click here to view Member Comments".

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 10:03am
Msg #432989

I am again confused, sorry, but I appreciate you taking the time to help me. The only comment from FL is a 3 star comment. all the others are from other states. Should I still be concerned? I accepted a job for this thursday. I have never done any work for them.

Reply by Lee/AR on 9/4/12 10:10am
Msg #432990

You'd better listen to everyone who has been taken before.

Ask yourself how an out of business SS suddenly comes back to life? Answer: New blood...yours!

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 10:15am
Msg #432993

There are eight comments - seven say no pay or out of business and the one positive comment is from five years ago. Based on the reviews, what do you think? I think you will not get paid.

You need to work smartly and protect yourself in this business. Signing Central and the posts here are our best tools for avoiding working for free. BELIEVE the reports in Signing Central - these non-paying companies will not make an exception for you if you "take a chance" on them. There are negative reports about this company from all different states - that should be self explanitory.

If it were me, I would turn the job back immediately and tell them why. But that's just me.

Reply by MikeC/TX on 9/4/12 10:58pm
Msg #433140

There are 7 negative comments and 1 good one, and the good one is from 5 years ago. I would say you should be very concerned.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 10:11am
Msg #432991

I sent the company an email requesting more information and no POB'S. They responded and their address is a CA address not FL.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 10:14am
Msg #432992

is it proper to ask for payment up front siting signing central as my resource and reason for concern?

Reply by SOCAL/CA on 9/4/12 10:31am
Msg #432995

Let's see, one star rating, their website is down. Don't be desperate. Turn this one back and listen to your fellow notaries.

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 10:19am
Msg #432994

Maybe they moved from FL to CA? n/m

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 9/4/12 11:20am
Msg #433001

Re: Maybe they moved from FL to CA?

Dear Servicio, Are you so desperate for business that you'll try everything to convince yourself that these Bad Guys are really angels and that everybody is wrong about them? That somehow you'll be the exception; that not only will you get paid but get paid well and get paid quickly and go on to have a long-lasting, lucrative relationship with them and live happily ever after? What about one star do you not understand? Yikes! SOX has the same rating, and they guarantee you won't get paid!

And in answer to your other questions, Yes, you should be concerned about comments from other states. What makes you think they'll pay FL notaries while stiffing those in other states? And NO, it is NOT OK to ask them to pay upfront, citing their no-payment history or any other history. Why would you want to do anything to help keep these bums in business - or their "new" (trans-continental) business as it appears to be?

For your sake and the sake of your fellow notaries, put these guys in your rearview mirror, don't look back and move on to companies that don't require you to try to talk yourself into working for.

Reply by Calnotary on 9/4/12 11:20am
Msg #433000

When you don't get paid don't come here and warn others because others will not follow your advice.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 11:28am
Msg #433005

Okay, Okay, LOL. No laughing matter! I am sorry. I emailed them back declining the signing and siting their negative rating in notaryrotary.com. I appreciate the tough(rough)love you guys have given me. I am chuckling at the pouncing I have received but okay, I get the point. I already had to cut my fees in half to get companies like Global Notary to keep calling me. Here in TN we just don't have that much signing work. This process is still very new and unheard of here.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 11:33am
Msg #433007

Re:anyone know about Accurate National Signing Service?

Accurate National Signing Service is this a different company or the same?

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 11:35am
Msg #433008

Re: Re:anyone know about Accurate National Signing Service?

here is her response to my email:
do not have a negative rating on Notary Rotary I am Accurate National Signings out of Southern California. I understand if you do not want to do the signing, I am a new company that has been around for about 2 months and I have a great rating with my notaries that I use in my data base. Please let me know if you still would like me to reassign.

Reply by Lee/AR on 9/4/12 11:40am
Msg #433011

2 months, eh? Not long enough to get any rating.

Now it's your call. Feeling lucky?

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 11:42am
Msg #433013

That's not the company you named in the original post

Similar names - in the original post you said the name was "Accurate Notary Signings (ANS)" but now you are saying it's "Accurate National Signing Service".

Reply by NJDiva on 9/4/12 11:36am
Msg #433009

um, based on the name, it's a different company... n/m

Reply by NJDiva on 9/4/12 11:38am
Msg #433010

Personally, if no one had a bad experience, I would give

them a try.

But please come on and enter them into SC. I'd love to hear some feedback.

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 11:47am
Msg #433015

Re: Re:anyone know about Accurate National Signing Service?

Via the orange search button:

Msg #429269
Msg #429708
Msg #431491
Msg #432436

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 12:05pm
Msg #433022

Seems she now has a website

http://accuratenationalsignings.com/home

I tried to add to SC but it was rejected because she already has a private listing with some of the same info. Note: Her website is called "Accurate National Signing Service" but on the website she also refers to her company name as "Accurate National Signings".

Reply by jba/fl on 9/4/12 12:51pm
Msg #433033

So she is a notary - what's the zip and/or city? Search that n/m

Reply by CopperheadVA on 9/4/12 12:58pm
Msg #433037

She has TWO free listings in zip code 92595 n/m

Reply by jba/fl on 9/4/12 1:08pm
Msg #433040

I wrote to Harry, et al, as I think this is a major

problem with their system.

"Accurate National Signing Service in 92595, basic listing: Operating as a SS with a notary listing. This circumvents getting dinged for being a crappy company. This one is a notary who I guess is trying to be a SS now. Anyway - we can not list as a company and link for protective services to ourselves. Is this allowed? Why would this be allowed?

This is big topic on the forum today. Please, jump in and explain why this can be done this way so that transparency for us collectively goes out the window.

Thank you for your attention to this matter."

Since every real problem I have ever had has been with a notary who decided to become an SS and collection is a real issue, as well as finding them easily, I personally think that this should be addressed for us all. These people, IMHO, are hiding in plain view, and it is just not right.

Reply by jba/fl on 9/4/12 11:40am
Msg #433012

" Here in TN we just don't have that much signing work. This process is still very new and unheard of here."

I don't know where in TN you are, but I know of several people who have been doing this in TN for a great number of years. It is not new - you are not in an unpopulated state - and many are still working there. I think you are new and have not done sufficient homework.

You are prey right now it appears. Perhaps you need to take a few weeks and work SC thoroughly - applying everywhere. Just because someone offers you a fee does not mean you accept that fee. You should have what you consider to be a profit you can accept for where ever you may go. You will have many different fees: one for Nashville, one for Memphis, one for Chattanooga, and so on. Why? because of mileage, time, etc. Time is what you are selling here....your service is not supposed to be rock bottom - it is somewhere between modest profit and outlandish profit...aim for outlandish as much as possible. Doesn't mean you will get it, but that is why you negotiate "your fee", not what is just offered. There is no volume in this business either.....don't let anyone tell you there is.

Either price accordingly, or price to be out of business.

Reply by NJDiva on 9/4/12 11:48am
Msg #433016

Global Notary is another 2 1/2 star company...beware... n/m

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 12:09pm
Msg #433023

Re: Global Notary is another 2 1/2 star company...beware...

I have been doing this about 4 years now... It started out once a month then this year I have doing about 8 a week. Global Notary has paid on time every time. I am doing about 1k a month right now with them. No complaints. other than I had to cut my rate down to get that volume. I did not think that was a bad thing. But I do not call anyone they all call me either from the NNA site or this one. These are the only places I am registered, that I know of. We have a secretary and we have other notaries here so we may be registered in other places, I am not sure. between Accurate Notary and Accurate National. I made the mistake of thinking they were the same company and because I cannot see a listing for Accurate National. I called NR and she said that there was a gliche in her system that was not allowing me to see the listing for Accurate National.

Reply by Lee/AR on 9/4/12 12:32pm
Msg #433030

Sure hope you mis-spoke. $32/signing? Tell me it's not so. n/m

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 12:40pm
Msg #433031

Re: Sure hope you mis-spoke. $32/signing? Tell me it's not so.

No definately not, where did you come up with that figure?

Reply by Lee/AR on 9/4/12 12:54pm
Msg #433035

Re: Sure hope you mis-spoke. $32/signing? Tell me it's not so.

You said: 8 per week (X 4 weeks per month = 32 signings) gives you $1,000/month (divided by 32 signings is) OK--not $32... but $31.25 per signing. Guess you mis-spoke, huh?

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 1:06pm
Msg #433038

Re: Sure hope you mis-spoke. $32/signing? Tell me it's not so.

No I did not mis-speak, I just did not feel a need to go real deep into specifics to make my point. All 8 signings are not with GN. and some weeks are 9 and some weeks are 5. Just averaged to 8. but I was not making a point to tell exactly what I was making but I do have a copy of the $1k check if you require to see it. I just don't understand why there is a bad rap on GN or ND. I don't normally spend so much time on here but I have been receiving a few more calls than usually from unknown Signing companies and I thought I was in a safe place to receive information. I did not realize you that you have to know how to duck before you can ask for advice or help on here. Although I was feeling really good up until 3 minutes ago.

Reply by HisHughness on 9/4/12 12:47pm
Msg #433032

Re: Sure hope you mis-spoke. $32/signing? Tell me it's not so.

I think you know all you need to know about this particular signing agent's approach to the business when you know that she is a regular with Notary Direct. We all know what caliber signing agents ND hires.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 12:57pm
Msg #433036

Re: I had no idea I was in competition with Hughie

Sorry if I am stepping on the royal Hughie's toes. You have no idea who I am or what kind of SA I am and that is just rude of you to step in here and try to break someone's spirit like that. That is just really sad, I hope your day and your life for that matter gets better for you.

Reply by HisHughness on 9/4/12 2:17pm
Msg #433063

Re: I had no idea I was in competition with Hughie

***You have no idea who I am or what kind of SA I am***

Actually, I have a pretty good idea of what kind of signing agent you are, considering what companies you have chosen to work for and your responses to criticism.

Reply by NJDiva on 9/4/12 1:11pm
Msg #433042

The point is that the companies you are associated with are

lowballing, low rated, crap companies. If they know you're a low rate notary, of course the low rate, low ball, no good companies are going to call you. If that's all that you feel you are worth, then it seems to me like you're wasting your time and degrading the industry. All you're doing is keeping lowlifes in business. With all the overhead and expenses in this business going up and people accepting low ball fees such as those they offer, there is no way you'll be able to keep a viable, lucrative business.

"But I do not call anyone they all call me"...And its no wonder you have the crap companies calling you.

The good thing is that you've been able to gain experience. Since you now have experience, please consider going through SC and applying to reputable, fair paying companies. Stick to your fee and do NOT allow any of the companies to "promise" you "volume", or tell you it's the going rate. It's BULL!! It's especially true if you are bilingual! You have an advantage. You should absolutely take advantage of it!!! $XXX is the going rate...don't let them sucker you.

If you want to stay in business, do yourself a favor and start taking a proactive stance rather than a walk all over me, use and abuse me stance. It's destroying you, your business and the industry.

I'm sorry if I sound distasteful, rude or cruel. I really don't mean to be. I just hate to see people underestimate themselves, but more to see these companies succeed at suckering people in and accepting their lowball fees.

Of course, all of the above is purely my opinion. I'm sure you would agree that you deserve better. Only you can demand it.

Reply by MW/VA on 9/4/12 1:30pm
Msg #433049

Her quote from above, "I already had to cut my fees in half

half to get companies like Global Notary to keep calling me. Here in TN we just don't have that much signing work. This process is still very new and unheard of here."
I did a search of notaries in your area her on NR. There are other notaries working this, so it is not an unknown process in your area. I understand different demographics, but yielding to cutting fees to accommodate the low-ballers is not the solution, IMO. You've done yourself an injustice to accept those fees, and volume is always the excuse these companies give. I hope you are willing to take a stand on your fees. Losing money by accepting low fees only means you're helping their profit margin & hurting yours. You need to decide if you're running a charity or a business.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 1:57pm
Msg #433058

Re: Her quote from above, "I already had to cut my fees in half

I can take constructive critism any day. I welcome it. Because I learned a long time ago that what I thought I knew already changed yesterday. So thank you NJ and MW. I do not know what the rate should be. I got on board by a client of mine (insurance client) who did not speak English and wanted to refinance his home. I had known him for several years and he brought his papers to me and the Signing company or the LO I do not know who I was talking to at the time told me to list myself with NNA and that I could earn extra money. That was in 2007 I never woke up one morning and said I think I will become a signing agent today. I like it but it was she that told me I could charge $150 or more. So I got certified a year later. That client ended up not doing his refi. Then about 4 years ago GN was my first company who called me then Service Link and Field choice followed. When I would quote them the fee (which my fees are posted on my profile here in NR) they would say we'll call you back if we don't find someone else. I never received any other calls so I thought I was too high. I NEEDED EXPERIENCE and I wasn't getting it. Never thought I could come here and receive real genuine help.

Reply by MW/VA on 9/4/12 2:12pm
Msg #433061

I understand. I was a "newbie" once myself. This forum has

helped me, and I try to help in return.
BTW, if you follow the forum, you'll understand that "certified by NNA" means diddly-squat. I did all that, too, but quickly realized that training didn't really teach me to do anything, and put money in their pockets.
There is a wealth of info available here for anyone willing to spend the time to use the "orange search button" and research topics they need info on.
Good luck!

Reply by NJDiva on 9/4/12 2:17pm
Msg #433064

Well, I certainly understand Serv. I was in your same shoes

and lowballed myself and this industry for a few years unknowingly too.

But now that you know, it places a bit of responsibility on your shoulders. Again, I'd like to encourage you to raise your fees and solicit the company's on SC.

You deserve it. Good luck to you.
Cheryl

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 2:22pm
Msg #433065

THANK you Cheryl, I will do just that. Thanks for the up...

uplifting words of encouragement. Not everyone has a knack for encouraging another.
May God bless you.
Sabrina.

Reply by SERVICIO on 9/4/12 2:16pm
Msg #433062

Re: Her quote from above, "I already had to cut my fees in half

Now that I have opened up my vulnerabilities to a room full of strangers even after I found out there is a wolf in the room waiting to devour me. There I am. I did not get into this business to get rich just thought I would have a little extra to be able to take my kids out for pizza. I have a total of 8 kids who I have adopted in one form or another plus the two that I gave birth to.
However, I recently lost my husband (he did not die, but he is not here in the US) and finding it harder to make the rent. So I am doing what I can with what God has given me. I just like helping people. and meeting new people.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 9/5/12 5:50am
Msg #433149

Everyone understands that - but what they're trying

to tell you is you're associated with known bottom-feeders who will sell you a bill of goods to get you to do the job at THEIR fee - "all the notaries charge half that rate"; "this is what we pay and if you want work you'll take it" Hogwash

Consider this - How many pizzas can you buy with your kids for TWICE the money, or maybe three times the money? How nice would it be to make 2-3 times the fee for half the time. That's what everyone is trying to tell you.

I'm curious too - ARE you independent? Because I note you said in a prior post that you don't know where you're listed as there are other notaries there - do you work for yourself or for another entity - one who, perhaps, gives you a piece of the pie - although with GN and ND, the original pie piece isn't all that big to begin with.

You want to know why the bad rap about GN and ND? You don't understand? Search here for them - you will learn quickly the types of companies you're dealing with - I'm not saying they're not nice people, but their reputations on payment precede them.

You really want to take good care of those 8 kids and get ahead, you'll need to do better than GN and ND. Believe me, and all others who have gone before you, they are not the end-all, be-all of companies to work with, just as XYZ is not the end-all, be-all of notary knowledge and expertise. You've been doing this for 4 years? You're worth more than $30-$40-$50/assignment...as soon as you realize that the better off you'll be.

JMHO and Good Luck.

Reply by KimmyMD on 9/15/12 7:41pm
Msg #434580

Retdoes anyone know about Accurate Notary Signings (ANS)?

I am pretty sure this is LDSS ,,, remember Shawna,,, I got a call today asking me if I was available to do a closings for low ball price. Her voice sounds like them. Wonder if I'm right. I asked her on the phone why she was'nt listed on NR website. She said "oh, they are terrible and can't get my information correct. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....