Posted by Ali/IL on 12/16/13 2:07pm
Msg #496265

Matricula card as id in Illinois

I find that the Illinois notary law is vague regarding id requirements for notarizing.

Does anyone know for sure if the matricula cards are acceptable now as an id here in Illinois?

Reply by Saul Leibowitz on 12/16/13 2:16pm
Msg #496266

No; just turned down a closing in Waukegan because of that. SOS website spells it out for us.

Reply by Ali/IL on 12/16/13 2:30pm
Msg #496267

Saul, was it at a real estate office? May be the same one I didn't do.

Reply by Saul Leibowitz on 12/16/13 3:04pm
Msg #496272

Yes--I won't name the Signing Service. They have an otherwise good reputation and have paid timely before. Good to hear from you.

Reply by Larry/IL on 12/16/13 3:24pm
Msg #496277

Here Ali & anyone else in IL

5 ILCS 312/6-102(a). If the notary does not have personal knowledge to identify the person, then an oath or affirmation of a credible witness will suffice, as will a current and valid identification document issued by the state or federal government. The document must have a valid signature and photographic image of the person's face. An Illinois driver's license, a state issued identification card, or a US military identification card are all valid forms of identification. Social Security cards and new passports issued by the U.S. Department of State are not valid identification documents.

The Identification Law applies to every acknowledgment, verification upon oath or affirmation or signature witnessing performed by the Notary, not just to those Notarial Acts for which a Notarial Record must be created.


Notice, Social Security cards and the new passports are no valid forms of ID. I have been seeing passports with no place for a signature lately.

Reply by Saul Leibowitz on 12/16/13 3:29pm
Msg #496278

Re: Here Ali & anyone else in IL

Thank you for the reference Larry. I surely don't want to use credible witnesses when they stand to make a commission if a deal funds.
Thanks again.

Reply by Ali/IL on 12/16/13 3:37pm
Msg #496280

Re: Here Ali & anyone else in IL

I just checked as of this morning and that is what it still says Larry.
I was told that is has been updated but, I found no reference to that.

Reply by Larry/IL on 12/16/13 3:39pm
Msg #496281

I do think it was updated

I was just double checking and couldn't find it.

Reply by Ali/IL on 12/16/13 3:57pm
Msg #496282

Re: I do think it was updated

I thought I saw something about a consulate card now can't find it. Hard to research when you have a headache!

Reply by Larry/IL on 12/16/13 4:03pm
Msg #496284

Looks like they may have revised the use of Maticula cards

This is what I found on the IL General Assembly website;

(5 ILCS 312/6-102) (from Ch. 102, par. 206-102)
Sec. 6-102. Notarial Acts.
(a) In taking an acknowledgment, the notary public must determine, either from personal knowledge or from satisfactory evidence, that the person appearing before the notary and making the acknowledgment is the person whose true signature is on the instrument.
(b) In taking a verification upon oath or affirmation, the notary public must determine, either from personal knowledge or from satisfactory evidence, that the person appearing before the notary and making the verification is the person whose true signature is on the statement verified.
(c) In witnessing or attesting a signature, the notary public must determine, either from personal knowledge or from satisfactory evidence, that the signature is that of the person appearing before the notary and named therein.
(d) A notary public has satisfactory evidence that a person is the person whose true signature is on a document if that person:
(1) is personally known to the notary;
(2) is identified upon the oath or affirmation of a

credible witness personally known to the notary; or
(3) is identified on the basis of identification

documents. Identification documents are documents that are valid at the time of the notarial act, issued by a state agency, federal government agency, or consulate, and bearing the photographic image of the individual's face and signature of the individual.
(Source: P.A. 97-397, eff. 1-1-12; 98-29, eff. 6-21-13.)

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=000503120HArt.+VI&ActID=107&ChapterID=2&SeqStart=2500000&SeqEnd=3100000

Reply by Saul Leibowitz on 12/16/13 4:05pm
Msg #496285

Re: Looks like they may have revised the use of Maticula cards

Thanks for the updated reference.

Reply by Ali/IL on 12/16/13 4:34pm
Msg #496290

Re: Looks like they may have revised the use of Maticula cards

Larry, that is the one I saw.Thanks, for looking. I guess we can allow them for id.

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 12/16/13 4:44pm
Msg #496293

Just to clarify. I believe that the credible witness must be

known to both the notary AND the signer
I also believe that the "new " Passport, you are referring to is those wallet size facsimile passports.
Regular US passports still contain a signature line so far as I know.

Reply by Ali/IL on 12/16/13 5:49pm
Msg #496303

Re: Just to clarify. I believe that the credible witness must be

Facsimile wallet sized passport? You mean something that has been faxed? Am I understanding correctly?

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 12/16/13 6:09pm
Msg #496307

For a additonal fee , you can get a wallet sized passssport

in addition to regular passport. Think that they are only good for admission for
Canada , Mexico, and the carribean. Does not have a place for signature

Reply by Larry/IL on 12/16/13 6:11pm
Msg #496308

Have been seeing full size regular passports.....

with no signature line for holder to sign. We can't use these in IL.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 12/20/13 8:29pm
Msg #496799

Re: Have been seeing full size regular passports.....

Are you sure there isn't a line for the signature? Mine, from 2011, has a signature line on the page opposite the page with the picture, just under the stars in the flag and the head of the eagle.

Reply by Shoshana/AZ on 12/16/13 6:23pm
Msg #496310

A witness known to both the signer and the notary is called

a subscribing witness. A credible witness must only know just the signer.
Those cards are called passport cards. They are not legal to be used as ID in AZ.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 12/16/13 6:45pm
Msg #496313

Re: A witness known to both the signer and the notary is called

According Alfred E. Piombino, Notary Public Handbook: A Guide for Vermont, East Coast Publishing, 1996, p. 101, a subscribing witness is an ordinary individual who sees someone execute a document, knows the signer, and knows the signer signed voluntarily, at a time when no notary or other authorized official was available. A procedure called a "proof of execution" can sometimes substitute for an acknowledgement. The subscribing witness comes before an authorized official and gives sworn testimony about the signing. In my state, the authorized official would be a judge, but I understand notaries in some states can do this.

Reply by C. Rivera Chicago Notary Services on 12/17/13 7:01am
Msg #496335

See message #494772 n/m