Reply by Moneyman/TX on 12/8/13 11:26pm
Msg #495557
Similar discussion in '04 just ran across, XYZ only wants $$
...imo. Just as they prove with these current "certification" status, and tests, that they sold some lenders on "requiring, but they, the NNA, couldn't be bothered with ensuring a complete, worthwhile product, or even a truly educational and/or true & accurate knowledge based required test was available before they began charging, and collecting $$, from NSA's to fulfill their own self imposed Nov. 1 deadline.
"Taking a an annual test is just putting $$$$ into someone's pockets"
Bingo! All they need is one good year of people signing up originally, and overpaying for a useless "certification" status and "listings", mostly out of fear, then the renewals & annual BGC charges (or what some might call, residual income) is pretty much assured for XYZ. If they can get the majority of people to buy into their false, imo, marketing campaign this year, why would any of those people risk not paying them again next year? or the year after that?, etc.
Either the NNA is exposed for what it truly is now, or might as well go-along-to-get-along for years, imo. If the latte is chosen, then might I also suggest updating a job resume; if past involvement by XYZ in our industry is any indication, you'll be using that new resume sooner and more often than you may want.
If I remember correctly, Hugh once offered to "certify" anyone that would send him $5. That is how highly he thought of "certifications" from the likes of XYZ and the #'s site. Hugh's would probably be worth more than either of theirs, but only if Hugh actually signed the certificates himself and didn't stoop to using a stamp. At least with Hugh's, you would know who the money was going to. 
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Here some post links to some conversations about NNA certification (and responses from the NNA) when it was still new, and just as useless, according to some in the thread. The whole thread is worth reading, imo.
Msg #4828 Sylvia_FL
"However, since the NNA took over NASA the standard of signing agents has dropped considerably. Areas are getting oversaturated. We have new signing agents coming from NNA seminars and asking basic notary questions, like What is a jurat? How will we know if a notary certificate is needed? They should know all this before becoming signing agents. And then, the NNA published their "fee guidelines" and now we have companies calling us that used to pay more that say they are now paying in accordance with the NNA guidelines."
And from the same post ...
"In the NNA Florida law primer, it is indicated that a notary may charge $10 per signature, however according to Fl law - and the SOS office - we can only charge $10 per seal, yet notaries are following the NNA primer and advertising $10 per signature.
A call to the NNA by one notary garnered the information that the NNA Florida primer was correct, and we can charge $10 per signature. I wish that was true!"
After a few attempts from Sylvia, this was the response from the NNA
Msg #4873 NNA Staff
"We very much appreciate all of your comments and feedback. We will carefully examine all members suggestions as is our custom.
Sincerely,
NNA Staff"
No, really, THAT was their first response in which they actually attempted to address the incorrect information! :-\ Certainly glad that I never personally attempted to rely on that organization for reliable and accurate information, even when I was a member.
Here is their 2nd attempt to address the inaccurate FL information. Hold on and get ready for a head spinning double talk session. Msg #4968
In part: "The Florida fee issue is, we admit, not as clear as it could be in our Florida Notary Law Primer. However, it is not incorrect. Florida law States that the Notary fee “may not exceed $10 for any one notarial act.” Our Primer indicates that the allowable fee is $10 per signature. Generally each signature constitutes a separate notarial act and requires separate identification of the signer and seal of the Notary. I a situation where two people – a husband and wife – sign one document, both individuals must appear before the Notary, and the Notary must identify each person separately, resulting in two notarial acts. When one person signs multiple documents, each requires a separate seal and signature of the Notary; again, these are separate notarial acts. Rather than a simple “per signature” statement, our Primer should – and will – state the fee is per notarial act. "
LOL PAW didn't appreciate their response as the information is INACCURATE in both the primer and their 2nd attempt at finally attempting to address the original inquiry. In a later post, he did inform them that overcharging in FL is grounds for a notary to lose their commission.
Msg #4971 PAW Notary Services
"I am in disagreement with your statement. When two people sign the same document, there is usually only ONE certificate, thus only ONE notarial act, thus only $10 charged. You suggest that a certificate is required for each signer, which is hardly ever the case (certainly not "generally"). It really doesn't make any difference if there are a hundred signers, if only ONE certificate is used, identifying all 100 signers, that is only ONE notarial act. It's the application of the stamp (seal) and signature that makes it an act, regardless of the number of people identified."
Again, the entire thread is worth reading and helps to prove, imo, that the NNA is no more concerned about protecting the public's private information and truly educating notaries today than it was in 2004. It is, imo, just as concerned today with getting as much money as it can from NSA's while at the same time doing what it can to destroy this part of the signing industry as it was back then.
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