Posted by VT_Syrup on 2/27/13 12:40pm
Msg #458172

Proposed law about middle names and generational identifiers

There is a law proposed in Vermont that would require the DMV to put full middle names and generational identifiers on ID. It may be read at

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/database/status/summary.cfm?Bill=H.0388&Session=2014

Once concern I have is that since the feds are getting away from generational identifiers and middle names (at least for Social Security), and other state driver's licenses may not have these, or might only have middle initials, people moving to Vermont, or people renewing their licenses, may not be able to prove what there middle name or generational identifier is.

Since the people on the board work with ID every day, maybe you have some ideas about problems or solutions I didn't think of related to this.

Reply by JPH13/MO on 2/27/13 12:50pm
Msg #458173

Shouldn't birth certificate have all this info? n/m

Reply by Bob_Chicago on 2/27/13 1:15pm
Msg #458184

Re: Shouldn't birth certificate have all this info?

Never have seen "Senior or Sr. " on a birth certificate.
Also, would BiilyJones IV move up to Biily Jones III when greatgrandpa kicks th bucket??
As I have said before, (subject to any specific state law) Is the person in front of you the individual named in the document being executed?

Reply by VT_Syrup on 2/27/13 1:28pm
Msg #458188

Re: Shouldn't birth certificate have all this info?

Bob_Chicago, the notary is one step removed from this process, unless we get a flood of ex-Californians coming to us who want us to notarize their applications for certified birth certificates. We rely on state IDs, and the bill is about what information the state IDs would contain. So the law can affect notaries in all states where Vermonters travel, because not only will it affect the information on the ID, but also whether the Vermonter can get a state ID.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 2/27/13 1:24pm
Msg #458186

Re: Shouldn't birth certificate have all this info?

Problem 1: there is no telling what might be in a birth certificate. There was a report on birth certificate fraud in 2000 which you can read here:

http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf

Page ii says "over 14,000 different versions of birth certificates are in circulation". With so many variations, we can expect some birth certificates will include suffixes, and some won't.

Problem 2: Some states require ID to get a certified copy of a birth certificate. So we get into the old chicken-and-egg problem: you can't get a state ID without a birth certificate, and you can't get a birth certificate without a state ID.