Posted by 101livescan on 6/5/13 12:02am
Msg #472296
Signing Stream Inc. Update
What great news! I have received real information about Signing Stream Inc. Their new owner/president, Henry Jawhary contacted me today. I am so relieved and offer my humble apologies to Henry and his staff for misinformation that has for some time connected them with the former owner of Home Signings, Inc. and Final Link, as reorted by many no's and NR subscribers.
It is exciting that there is new intelligence and energy in our industry and I want to thank Henry for coming forward by contacting me today to explain the new ownership. We are grateful to know that this company is paving a new road and opportunity for NSAs to work for great companies without wondering if they will be paid successfully and timely for their efforts, professionalism and hard work.
Thank you, Henry, for coming forward. We all wish you had made this announcement last year when this transaction occurred so that so many of us would not be standing in the dark, only thinking the very worse of Signing Stream, Inc. which is entirely untrue.
We sincerely wish you the very best in this industry! I look forward to collaborative efforts with Signing Stream Inc. in the future.
Kindly disregard any earlier referenes I've made re. relationship between Final Link, Home Signings and Signing Stream Inc, other than that Henry Jawhardy purchased Home Signings last year from Mr. Abdallah.
| Reply by jojo_MN on 6/5/13 8:16am
Msg #472304
He contacted you. Great. What did he have to say that is worth sharing other than what you wrote above, which basically states nothing. IMOP
| Reply by SReis on 6/5/13 8:19am
Msg #472305
BE CAREFUL!!! - Libel/Defamation???
This isn't legal advice but I would be very careful if I were you re: continuously posting "somewhat speculative" negative information on various companies. Although I know you mean well you may be setting yourself up for a libel suit. Although it worked out seemingly well in this case other companies may not be so understanding when your dubious claims are affecting their business.
| Reply by MW/VA on 6/5/13 9:33am
Msg #472310
I agree with this. I'm concerned about the "witch hunt"
mentality on the forum lately. Sharing public info is one thing, but going after a particular co. in this way is dangerous, IMO.
| Reply by ToniK on 6/5/13 10:32am
Msg #472313
Re: I agree with this. I'm concerned about the "witch hunt"
I was beginning to get a little annoyed at the rants. Lol
| Reply by NVLSlady/VA on 6/5/13 12:30pm
Msg #472333
Re: I agree with this. I'm concerned about the "witch hunt"
and that "danger" may extend to the site owners, no? I'd like to think as professionals we could be a little more protective of one another; but you're right, the climate of "distrust" that exists on the outside inevitably infects the forum too often.
But I think it is good to remember that only One is infallible - and this post WAS an apology and an attempt to set the record straight. More than can be said for some.
| Reply by MW/VA on 6/5/13 3:07pm
Msg #472362
Re: I agree with this. I'm concerned about the "witch hunt" n/m
| Reply by MW/VA on 6/5/13 3:08pm
Msg #472363
Yes, I had the same concerns. We usually post about cos.
based on our personal experience with them, not just general info. I was glad to see the post about the corrected info., but sometimes the damage is already done.
| Reply by NVLSlady/VA on 6/5/13 6:52pm
Msg #472390
I, too prefer the "personal experience" takes
When someone is obsessed with an idea, it can take on the appearance of a "witch hunt" even though that may be FAR from the intention.
Whistle blowers most welcome to protect fellow professionals - just please don't judge too quickly Or give them a rating without having worked with them
p.s. I would think that good, reputable companies see and might think we're not too "balanced."
| Reply by Bip on 6/5/13 1:20pm
Msg #472344
Fact-they pay advertisers.
| Reply by Linda_H/FL on 6/5/13 1:26pm
Msg #472345
Where is your fact. n/m
| Reply by Bip on 6/5/13 1:33pm
Msg #472349
Re: Where is your fact.
Within their data. They send emails to notaries and pay them to click on the link and post..
| Reply by Bip on 6/5/13 1:41pm
Msg #472351
Re: Where is your fact.
I like the warnings on this Forum. If they are integral, they will not have notaries posting warnings..Simple...
| Reply by Yoli/CA on 6/5/13 1:53pm
Msg #472352
Now that they have made it known, at least to 101livescan, that SSI is under new ownership with a separate and completely new business plan than that former owners, maybe they can be added to Signing Central to make a whole new start with new reviews meant for the correct company.
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 6/5/13 2:35pm
Msg #472355
Beating a dead horse?
I understand the need for facts, proof, evidence, etc., and wish all that were easy to come by and could be laid out in NR like in some sort of court of law. But that isn't how things always happen. Getting to the truth is often ugly and hard work, and I support honest and genuine efforts to expose the bad guys of this industry.
I think the labels of "rants" and "witch hunts" are disgusting. This effort and others were made by one notary to help all other notaries and to improve our business .... and she gets little or no support from anybody on NR.... even from the many who complain regularly about nonpayment from these exact SSs. As far as I can see, she has no other agenda.
All of this reeks of "blame the whistleblower" mentality. Wagging your finger and clucking "tsk tsk" are not productive.
Instead of condeming someone trying to get to the bottom of suspicious business activity, did it occur to anybody to offer a help or backup? But apparently, no one is interested in that; only sitting back and then whining about "witch hunts." Where in the heck did that come from? I think the efforts by Linda/FL to keep her on track and to demand "facts," are very valuable and very appropriate.
It appears as long as things are all Pollyanna RFD on NR, then everybody's content. When somebody heads the other direction, you want to stomp them in the ground and pretend that's nothing wrong out there or stop them from rocking the boat.
I also resent the "I have no dog in this fight" comments I've read regarding this issue. LIke you are your own little island, immune from the forces of the industry and that as long as things are all diggitydog in your world, the hell with anyone else? And if things are not fine, nobody should post here about it so as not to "annoy" you?
| Reply by Philip Johnson on 6/5/13 4:31pm
Msg #472372
Ride em' Cowgirl.
She was wrong, she did not do her due diligence, and she ran down somebody's business, and you want us to help her? Help her do what? Maybe we could all join in and just add to the list of defendants, when it all goes down the tubes.
Good Lord she was on a roll, maybe even a jihad on what she considered bad business, and if someone called her on it, the "California concern" would jump in and scold whomever had the chutzpah to do so. Kind of like what you have done.
BTW, I don't recall you stepping out there and helping her run down a business. Of course if I am wrong, you'll let me know.
| Reply by JanetK_CA on 6/5/13 4:51pm
Msg #472380
Excellent post, Goldgirl/CA!
You (and Lee/AR in the post below) bring up some excellent points. Yes, we need to be careful to make sure we have all the facts, and that bad information isn't being disseminated about potentially decent companies. (After all, we don't want to be like "badnotary.com" - or whatever the actual name was - do we?) However, neither do I think we want to turn a deaf ear to the bad apples in our business who are flagrantly unethical and continuously preying on members of our community, however new to it they may be. This kind of behavior hurts everyone involved, however remotely, and the bad players should be called out on it to whatever extent the facts can be known.
I wish I had some better answers on how to have an impact, but I applaud all who invest the time and effort to try to unearth the scoundrels amongst us so that others don't get taken in. I wouldn't want any of you to get burned in the process either, though, so please do be careful.
(BTW, I suspect we haven't heard the end of this tale...)
| Reply by jba/fl on 6/5/13 7:01pm
Msg #472392
And ?
Msg #472278
The difference is? Oh, because you posted.
Practice what you preach.
| Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 6/5/13 7:32pm
Msg #472395
Apparently you can't be bothered to read
the entire thread from yesterday cos you're so anxious to rush to condemnation. See Msg #472295 in that SAME THREAD, jba/fl.
In fact if she wants me to write the letter for her AND deliver it, I will. I practically said as much.
So what else is your problem?
| Reply by Philip Johnson on 6/5/13 9:58pm
Msg #472409
Re: And ?
Aren't you a rabble rouser?
| Reply by Lee/AR on 6/5/13 3:42pm
Msg #472364
How quickly we forget....
that this co. was one of those who was posting on that short-lived 'bad notary' site--and that was less than 2 months ago.
| Reply by 101livescan on 6/5/13 10:55pm
Msg #472413
I still remember when I mother told me "not everyone will love you as much as I do." That is certainly true on this board.
As a professional notary public trainer and a skilled, knowledgeable NSA, I am appalled at today's levels of skill and integrity people coming into this field, especially survival and business development skills. My goal is to empower any one I can. I am beating the drum for higher fees for qualified, expert NSAs. Not everyone is interested, that's okay...some people strive for excellence and crafting a career, others just want what I call "chump change".
Sometimes I step on a landmine, and I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong. The take away for me as I read some responses tonight, after 12 signings that began at 9am, is that not all notaries are created from the same mold, and not everyone is able to articulate or express themselves as well as they should. Also, I like to see the glass half full, not half empty. It is not my style to purposely run around kicking sand in people's faces for the pure enjoyment of it. If I see a serious issue, I'm going to be right on it.
Now, I'm completely amazed at all the whining and wanking that has occurred on this board about not getting paid by the wicked witch of the east, or getting stiffed by Final Link and other defunct companies. How many of these people took the time to do their homework and do a little background checking on these companies? Not many.
So if you haven't figured it out yet:
Some Signing Services have no system or software in place to track who gets paid what and when
Some Signing Services do not pay their notaries until they call and bug them about payment
Some Signing Services have no intention of paying at all
Some Signing Services bank on notaries who don't track their own invoices/AR.
If you're working for companies like this, I think you're in the wrong business and should get a job at Walmart, Taco Bell, or Target. A job that is mindless, set hours for set wages.
I regard this work as a career, and I'm not in for my good looks that's for sure. I love my work, more than most. I'm probably nuttier than a fruit cake for liking it this much. I think it's the helping people part. It more enjoyable than painful like many jobs I've had over the years.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the support, feedback and the critiquing, as we only can improve when we hear 360 views.
Witch hunt? No way. When I run across information that is so contrary to everything we notaries stand for, integrity, moral compass, background and learn about serious character flaws that are not in keeping with the very requirements we must meet as notaries, I'm going to scream and yell it out to all of you.
If you don't like that part, well, then just ignore me. I really don't mind all opinions, because we all think very differently to begin with.
I was wondering why I had a nose bleed all day, probably because a few of you were punching me around a bit.
I forgive you.
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