Posted by BossLadyMD on 3/16/13 9:55am
Msg #461518

FASS

Just got an email that FASS will now only accept NNA background screenings. Oh well, guess its bye bye FASS for me.

I did send an email asking what was the problem with NotRot's background screening.......

Reply by hodgy on 3/16/13 10:04am
Msg #461522

I understand why people don't want to get multiple background screenings but if many companies only accept NNA BG checks why would you not get an NNA BGC and not restrict your opportunities? I mean they are a tax deductible item so what's the big deal?

Reply by NVLSlady/VA on 3/16/13 10:12am
Msg #461523

Multiple BGCs not just about cost; privacy and exposure should be big concerns in view of ID theft on rise. "Many companies" with such sensitive information only increases that chance.

How many heard what happened just this week with Beyonce's, M. Obama's, H. Clinton,'s personal info being hacked?

Reply by hodgy on 3/16/13 10:23am
Msg #461529

Not sure I understand. Are you saying if you get multiple background checks your information is subject to exposure and identity theft? Or are you saying NNA's BGC is not legitimate enough that it may be subject to exposure. I am just saying why wouldn't you get the BGC that everyone accepts and write it off as a business expense rather than complain about the one you have not being accepted? I have no idea why they wouldn't accept one over the other as I don't know the criteria but I wouldn't want to restrict myself over a minor expense. I am actually thinking about getting a second one here on NR just to make my listing look even better to prospective clients. I also have a secret military clearance and have been recently to Iraq and Afghanistan so the fact that someone has an FBI or state police BGC is irrelevant as it's what do our clients require.

Reply by Notarysigner on 3/16/13 10:59am
Msg #461539

There is no guarantee you will get enough signings to recoup the cost of doing so, for one.

I WAS on their "priority notary list" and had to carry $100,000 E & O (cost $400) and got O N E signing from them in a year. A mortgage broker I knew talked me into doing so with a promise to send tons of business my way. I found out the "work" that was supposed to come my way was intercepted by the EO in the TC who was also moon lighting evenings as a NSA.

Regarding Multiple BGCs? How many DL do you have.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 3/16/13 10:14am
Msg #461525

NNA is monopolizing & I dont like them

I also already have an FBI and state police background done. And I still have another year left on my current one from NotRot.

On to the next.....been at this too long.

Reply by Edward Cooke on 3/16/13 10:17am
Msg #461526

It isn't the BG so much as that the info that XYZ puts out is so blatantly wrong (unless you happen to be a CA notary).

Reply by BossLadyMD on 3/16/13 10:22am
Msg #461528

Not in CA & I dont subscribe to their philosophy n/m

Reply by Notarysigner on 3/16/13 10:47am
Msg #461535

Are you saying the info is correct for Ca notaries? n/m

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 3/16/13 2:38pm
Msg #461578

Ummm, plenty of the information they put out for CA is

also incorrect. I don't know why people just assume they are the voice of CA notaries because they're based in LA.

Reply by desktopfull on 3/16/13 4:11pm
Msg #461602

Biggest reason is:

You can't just buy the BGC. You are forced to purchase membership in two of their sections and pay for a totally worthless certification. They are also responsible for TC'sgutting our fees, while they marketed to the TC's to increase our costs buy forcing their BGC on us to receive work from them. It's a double edge sword that they are using for only their gain at the expense of every notary.

Reply by LKT/CA on 3/16/13 10:52am
Msg #461536

When I got my background check for my R.E. license a few years ago, and then last year for my notary commission renewal at my local police department (cheap rolling fee) - in each appt when I handed the agent my DL, they disappeared in the back with my DL for NO LESS than 15 minutes. Then they came out and we got going on the livescan. I'm almost certain (guess) that the 15 minutes was spent running the license thru the state and national (and possibly international) databases. I walked out of there - so obviously I'm no criminal. And NO, I'm not going out next week and commit a crime, making the background useless.

Therefore, if notaries get a background from their local police department and market THAT check on the basis of what I shared above, maybe they can get ONE BC check and that will suffice to all the TCs or other hiring entities. Just a thought....

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 3/16/13 2:49pm
Msg #461580

It's true!!

If you go to the local PD for your LiveScan, they will do a want/warrant check on you just for the heck of it. I mean, you walked in their station.

Reply by VT_Syrup on 3/16/13 2:55pm
Msg #461582

How could anyone know that your local PD scanned your fingerprints except by taking your word for it? I had a similar situation; to become a volunteer emergency medical technician, my local police chief did a background check. But there is no record of that which a title company could look at, so got a background check at the site suggested here on NR.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 3/16/13 3:15pm
Msg #461586

The livescan receipt that we are given when we have it done shows the livescan operator information and who/where it was done and who submitted the prints.

Reply by Belinda/CA on 3/16/13 11:34am
Msg #461551

FASS has been in bed with XYZ for years. To work for them

you HAD to have an XYZ background check or you could not get a job.

One check should be sufficient. My CA background is thorough and covers everything anyone wants covered but it isn't enough anymore.

We are being pounded with more and more requirements and being asked to take less and less money. How does that sound people? Those of you considering lower fees. Here is one more example that the cost of business is going up. It is a small fee in most cases but I have been asked to have three besides the two I already have.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 3/16/13 11:39am
Msg #461552

IMO the problem with the CA BGC and you're having

been check thoroughly by the SOS for your commission is - can you get a copy of that BGC to send to companies? Or can they obtain a copy from your SOS? I'd bet not. That's why, even though you've been vetted by the State of CA, they still require another BGC - one they can get their hands on and see - not that they read it but I think that's the point of it.

Now, NotRot's BGC not being acceptable is a whole other issue that I've asked about for a long time and Admin was supposed to check into this to find out why and possibly try to comply. So far to date, as far as I know, they haven't. I'm with the other posters that refusing to get the NNA BGC does make a statement, but it also closes doors and income opportunities. I'm walking proof that the NNA BGC does open doors. As much as we all hate them, it's a fact of life.

JMO

Reply by LKT/CA on 3/16/13 12:24pm
Msg #461561

Re: IMO the problem with the CA BGC and you're having

I'm not sure but I think a criminal background history started with the ARRESTS, which is something a police department computer will bring up a "wrap sheet", which has that history. Maybe for a fee, a person can get a copy of that from the police dept. I'll even bet that the wrap sheet has history from crimes from other states.

I suppose if one contacts the CA Dept. of Justice and the FBI, then can get info on how to have a copy of their last livescan sent to X company. But my point was if you go to the local PD and get the livescan **and you're able to leave**, then there's no wants or warrants, as of that moment. And if you have nothing against you as of that moment, it's highly unlikely you'll have some horrendous felony against you the next moment, day, week, month or year.

You get a copy of the livescan application so at least you can fax or email a copy to X entity as PROOF you got a livescan from the police....**and walked out of there** (instead of being fitted with the shiny silver bracelets), LOL. So I say to sell THAT....that you went to the **PD** for the livescan, they disappeared with your ID, OBVIOUSLY checking the database, and that you were able to leave <heeheehee>.

Reply by Linda_H/FL on 3/16/13 12:54pm
Msg #461564

I don't know Lisa...I had a livescan done here for my

CNA license - prints were immediately uploaded to FDLE (Florida Department of Law Enforcement) - I had my livescan done at a daycare centered licensed to do them - they had no access to information about results, nor would they have had arrest powers even if they *could* see results.

The BGC done by the various entities summarizes each aspect of the check the companies want to see. To me, getting a BGC is much more efficient than expecting them to check with each livescan facility and each police department.

And it would be my guess that the CA SOS would probably not release that information to anyone. That's for their internal use only.


JMO

Reply by LKT/CA on 3/16/13 1:37pm
Msg #461567

Re: I don't know Lisa...I had a livescan done here for my

<<<I had my livescan done at a daycare centered licensed to do them...>>>

I'm not talking about your livescan being uploaded TO the police. I'm talking about going to the PD to begin with. <Thought I was clear on that....guess not>. If you walk into the POLICE station, submit your ID for livescan, they disappear with it - either one of two things will happen when they return - they'll do the livescan and you LEAVE or you'll be fitted with the shiny silver bracelets and you WON'T leave. THAT'S what I would sell. It may or may not "sell" but I'd still try.

<<<The BGC done by the various entities summarizes each aspect of the check the companies want to see.>>>

What would they be looking for that's NOT on a criminal wrap sheet accessible by the PD computer that one may be able to get a copy of?. Arrest for DUI - on PD computer. Check fraud? Arrest is shown on PD computer. Assault (of any kind)....arrest shown on PD computer.

<<<And it would be my guess that the CA SOS would probably not release that information to anyone.>>>

The criminal history goes TO the CA SOS but does not come FROM them. The info comes FROM the DOJ and FBI, so they're the ones to decide who they'd release the info TO.

<<< To me, getting a BGC is much more efficient than expecting them to check with each livescan facility and each police department.>>>

There's no need for the company to check numerous places. If the notary has gotten ONE check - these days, police records are tapped into EVERYTHING. These police agencies are connected EVERYWHERE. If I've so much as SNEEZED in another state, that's on record (and probably on video somewhere too).

Linda, I don't know if what I've suggested will work or is even possible, but until someone else has researched my suggestion to say it WON'T work and is IMpossible......then I'd try and sell that walking into a POLICE STATION and having the POLICE do the livescan is BETTER than a livescan done by any other person/agency who does not have the authority to arrest me on the spot. JMHO

I had a case where the signer only spoke Burmese - GNW. Couldn't find a Burmese speaking notary anywhere and we cannot use translators in CA. I suggested to the company that hired me to use two witnesses who *happen to be* notaries. This way the daughter could translate. The company approved so I got a friend, and we wore our witness hats, did not use our notary titles but did include business cards to show we were notaries - and of course the company could verify via CA SOS. So my suggestion in that case worked. Maybe the suggestion to have livescan from the POLICE - who can arrest you on the spot when no other licensed livescan operator can - will work for *someone* out there. Maybe it won't....just remains to be seen.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 3/16/13 3:14pm
Msg #461585

Re: I don't know Lisa...I had a livescan done here for my

I think the issue with that is that they only check (at the PD) for current wants/warrants. If you have a past criminal history that's cleared up, they will still let you walk out because there's no active reason to hold you.

The CA BGC does more than just check for criminal records. They don't really tell you this, but they pull your DMV record, too.

The last NNA BGC report I have (August 2010) pulled the following:


-A section called "Identity Verification By SSN" that lists my names and previous residences going back 10 years... so at the time, to the year 2000.
-A Section called "National Criminal Database" using my SSN with a notation that says, "No Records Found"
-A section called "USA Patriot Act" that looked me up on various lists such as the UN Terrorist List, OFAC, Bank of England Sanction, DTC Bebarred Parties, US Bureau of Industry denied entities, and World Bank of bebarred firms.
- My "Driver Record" from my CA driver license... listing my SSN, License # and status, Driving record (violations, accidents, FTAs and convictions)
-"County" criminal court search for Los Angeles county (where I lived at the time)
-"County" criminal court search for Cache County, Utah (where I had lived in the previous 10 years... that's where I went to college)
-National Sex Offenders list


I don't think that the NNA gets the detailed report... they just know if you passed or not according to pre-set parameters.





Now, the NotRot one that I just had done in February lists the following:

-Name, address, birthday
-Criminal records for Kern County, CA (where I live now) form 2006 to present
-Criminal records for the city where I live now from 2006 to present
-Criminal records for Los Angeles County from 2006 to present
-Criminal records for the city of los angeles (where I lived prior)

-National Criminal database
-Motor vehicle record
-OFAC (including GSA and SDN)

-SSN trace... showing addresses from 2004 to present

-National sex offender search




It seems to me that both of them pretty much cover the EXACT same things.

Reply by BossLadyMD on 3/16/13 3:20pm
Msg #461587

Exactly my point Marian, they pull the same info n/m

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 3/16/13 3:35pm
Msg #461591

Re: Exactly my point Marian, they pull the same info

Yup, that's the problem.... convincing *them* that the reports pull the same information. They don't want to beleive it. But, in looking at both detailed reports... I really don't see any difference.

Reply by A S Johnson on 3/16/13 11:46am
Msg #461555

A "background check" thru xyz is not the problem. The problem is
(1) one of the most costly backgroung checks out their (how much is going to xyz)
(2) must join xyz and their "signing agent" group to be able to get their "background check".
(3) xyz support lowering our fees.
(4) how is xyz "backgroung check" different from the others

I think xyz will be sorely disappointed this year. They are having thier annual conference in Austin Texas to push thier Texas Legislative agenda for thier Notary education with tem presenting ghe Notary education program here in Texas. A few 'democrat" legislators have fallen for thier line, but most Texas legislators have and are hearing from Notaries accross the state that we need Notary education, BUT from the Texas Sec of State office NOT from xyz. The cost of membership in xyz, xyz signing agent group and cost of course and testing is just too much.

Reply by jojo_MN on 3/16/13 8:25pm
Msg #461649

I also got my email. Don't believe it. If they need the work done, they will hire you. I actually bought into their bullying a few years ago when they said I couldn't work for them unless I was a member of the NNA and got their bgc. Re-joined, got the bgc and wouldn't you know, they were using another notary in my area that wasn't a member of the NNA OR had any bgc's on file.

I have had three background checks done in the last month. I sent it to SL and they wouldn't accept the first two, will only accept the NexisLexis one. They did take back a signing from me Thursday bacause I haven't received the background check in the mail yet.

Does anyone know if NNA is using the NexisLexis one? If FASS won't accept that one, it will be bye-bye FASS.