Posted by Marian_in_CA on 10/15/13 3:47pm
Msg #488230

Another Kirkish/ANS update....

Just an FYI:

Many know that Jason Kirkish had been issued a notary commission in August -- he was. HOWEVER, he is *NOT* an active notary with the state of California anymore. He failed to file his oath and bond with the county within the 30 days required after receiving his commission. Therefore, his commission was essentially revoked.

If he wishes to activate his commission, he has to reapply and have a new background check (with fingerprints) done all over again.

Reply by 101livescan on 10/15/13 4:31pm
Msg #488234

This might help the owners of ANS a smidgen. They all took the notary class/exam in June, Valuamerica and EnTitleDirect shut them down sometime mid July due to the huge numbers of notaries calling them for nonpayment issues, but the commission wheels were in motion. Looks like Mr. Kirkish doesn't think this is such a great gig after all, since a lot of SSs aren't paying their notaries and going out of business!

Now they still may have something going with Title365, for the time being. Oh, but wait, they're filing bankruptcy because no one paid them so ANS couldn't pay the notaries! However, it has been confirmed by these two companies that ANS was paid for every file they closed, it was just the notaries who weren't paid. And the list of complaints in the Riverside DA's office grows by the day.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out for the defunct "ANS owners" and all the unpaid notaries who have filed their official complaints.

It's comforting to know there isn't a loose notary seal in their household.

Reply by GOLDGIRL/CA on 10/15/13 11:03pm
Msg #488273

Good grief

Why would somebody go to all the trouble not to mention expense of taking the required education class and test, then the SOS test with accompanying photo and fingerprinting for the FBI and DOJ, application fee, etc etc, then the optional loan signing class and never file oath and bond? That's like rounding third base and stopping inches short of home plate.

Perhaps on the way to home plate, ValueAmerica pulled their account, so there was no work on the horizon? Somethin's fishy.

In any case, whatever his new career path, hopefully he will use some of that income to pay the notaries ANS stiffed and have hung out to dry. Oh, sorry, I forgot. They declared bankruptcy. How convenient.

Reply by Marian_in_CA on 10/16/13 12:25am
Msg #488276

Re: Good grief

"Perhaps on the way to home plate, ValueAmerica pulled their account, so there was no work on the horizon?"

That's possible. His commission was issued on August 10th, which meant he had until September 10th to file his oath/bond.... which falls right in line with the time frame of everything blowing up on them...and about the same time that they moved.

As for why someone would do that? I wonder that, too... but remember that, apparently (according the the 'employee' of ANS who posted here), his wife Amanda also did all of that as well. I have no idea for sure, and it's just wild speculation on my part... but the timing of when they took the class and exam coincides with when Amanda's conviction was expunged. I'm thinking she probably thought that meant she was now eligible to become a notary... which, of course, is completely not true. Even expunged convictions have to be reported to the Sec of State when applying for a notary commission....and she's not eligible for at least 5 years past the completion of her probation.

Reply by JanetK_CA on 10/16/13 2:11am
Msg #488278

Re: Good grief

I certainly hope that the fact that she stiffed so many people out of their earned fees somehow gets connected to her record, in case she decides to try again in five years!

Reply by 101livescan on 10/16/13 9:14am
Msg #488293

Can be avoided by not working for 1-2 star companies in SC

With the help of her friends, "co-owners", Amanda was able to get her foot in the door of these companies, unchecked, no background clearance, no business experience, and was able to "earn" hundreds of thousand of dollars in less than a year. She conveniently shut down the operation, dismantling phone, fax and godaddy and moved her home around the corner so to speak, thinking she could disappear. Fortunately, in this world, you can run, but you can never hide. She and her co-owners been having a great time on other people's money. A complete sham at other's expense. Someone with a conviction of ID fraud and forgery will never escape this rap, it can be expunged from public record, but never buried forever because every time a background check comes up, it will pop up. Even trying to open a checking account shows one's one background. You can pay thousands to clean up your credit report, but you can never change the footprint of your character. So I wonder how the DA's office will view Amanda Kirkish getting into the business of collecting SSNs from notaries and having access to so many borrowers' private and financial information while she was still on probation for her ID fraud and forgery conviction in 2009. BTW, the money she was earning from Valuamerica and others was paying for her fines and restitution in 2012-13. Her case was expunged mid year 2013. Should be interesting to see the outcome of this investigation in the coming weeks.

By now, ANS account is most likely depleted. What's the next scam? All eyes are upon the perpetrators of this horrific fleecing of notaries across the US. Lesson learned. DON'T WORK FOR 1-2 and some 3-star companies in SC.

Reply by MrEd_Ca on 10/16/13 9:08am
Msg #488292

Another possibility ---

--- it's possible that the gentleman in question could have had his notary stamp manufactured but simply forgot (?) to complete the process by filing the bond & taking the oath.
The package that the state sends out includes all the info about filing the bond & taking the oath, but it also includes the letter that you send to a seal manufacturer to have the stamp made (I forget the exact title of this document).
This guy could be out there, stamping away on whatever documents, & not even realize that he is not truly legit. I don't think anyone would be the wiser until a document was sent to the SOS for an apostile as I don't think county recorders run any sort of check on documents that cross they're desk, what with the volume of documents most clerks deal with in a day.
Wouldn't it be ironic if this is what happened & the fellow bought his stamp through Notary Rotary? And he read about it all here, on this forum?

Reply by 101livescan on 10/16/13 9:25am
Msg #488294

It is a felony

to perform notary duties, affixing the notary seal to documents, without having filed oath and bond with the County Recorders office within 30 days of the commission having been issued to the notary applicant.

Of course, every time a loan is funded, the notary's commission is verified to be current/valid/not under scrutiny by any state/federal agency, by the County Recorder. Will not record in any county if no oath and bond have been officially filed.

Yet....any thing is possible.

Reply by MrEd_Ca on 10/16/13 10:37am
Msg #488309

Re: It is a felony....

Msg #350952 ---- from about 3 years ago, has a similar situation that I spoke of in my message. The fellow I spoke of in that message of 3 years ago was a local real estate agent who, I found out later, had been notarizing for almost a year before he discovered, or, rather, was told, he was not a notary. I don't know if he did any loan documents, but I know he did a fair amount of other docs. & I do not know what, if anything happened to him because of his inadvertent 'mistake'.

Yes, anything is possible.