I agree with Linda... the topic isn't really about any particular issue. As Linda said, it's about personal morals and beliefs vs. legal duties in a role that we volunteered to do. It can be applied to any type of thing...
For example, here in CA some notaries, if authorized by their county clerk, can issue confidential marriage licenses. Now, part of being able to obtain one of those means that the couple is already living together as if they were married. They have to swear to that under oath.
If a same-sex couple, or couple over the age of 62 want, they can register as a domestic partnership in the state. This form needs to be notarized.
What about declarations of paternity, too? I've notarization quite a few of those.
And... what about prisoners in jail? Have any of you been called in to notarize documents for the courts? What if the inmate is signing off on an agreement of some kind, but you think it's wrong and he needs to "rot in prison"?
And what of a couple signing a loan documents package for a home they clearly won't be able to afford? Many faiths out there, mine included, view debt as a bad thing and encourage us to avoid it at all costs. For many, it's a moral issue.... even a Biblical mandates regarding it can be found.
So by the OP's argument... a case could easily be made that if you are morally opposed to taking on debt, you should therefore have the right to refuse to notarize documents that involve leading or borrowing money.
Where do you draw the line?
The fact is that our personal opinions and beliefs, no matter how strong, really have no place in our role as a notary. I know I've notarized PLENTY of documents for situations where I would never want to be involved. It doesn't mean that I "approve" or "condone" what the person is doing. It just means I'm verifying their identity and signature.
THing is... I'm NOT involved! I'm just there as a witness to a signature. I'm not a party to whatever it is taking place and my seal is not a stamp of approval on what ever it is their doing.
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| Messages in this Thread |
|  National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - JustANotary on 6/30/11 11:15am |
|  Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - laurel/nc on 6/30/11 11:19am |
| Just because you may not agree with a particular document - FlaNotary2 on 6/30/11 11:22am |
|  In addition, while I may not necessarily support the - FlaNotary2 on 6/30/11 11:22am |
| Re: Just because you may not agree with a particular document - JustANotary on 6/30/11 11:39am |
| I would agree with Robert. -  Shoshana/AZ on 6/30/11 11:29am |
| Re: I would agree with Robert. - laurel/nc on 6/30/11 11:40am |
| Honestly this would be handled in the Dr office - SouthernOK on 6/30/11 11:47am |
| Would you notarize a doc if you thought there was fraud? - JustANotary on 6/30/11 11:58am |
| Time to switch to just politics n/m - HARRY_PA on 6/30/11 12:02pm |
|  agreed this has crossed from work to politics/religion n/m - SouthernOK on 6/30/11 12:14pm |
| Re: Would you notarize a doc if you thought there was fraud? - Calnotary on 6/30/11 12:03pm |
| Re: Would you notarize a doc if you thought there was fraud? - JustANotary on 6/30/11 12:16pm |
|  IMO, fraud involves knowledge of a false statement - Linda_H/FL on 6/30/11 12:37pm |
| Re: Would you notarize a doc if you thought there was fraud? - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 12:51pm |
|  Thank God we don't have such restrictions in Florida - FlaNotary2 on 6/30/11 12:53pm |
| Well put JustANotary ... - BobbiCT on 6/30/11 12:06pm |
| Re: Well put JustANotary ... - Julie/MI on 6/30/11 12:23pm |
| "Nice to see the Evil One's presence... - NJDiva on 6/30/11 12:45pm |
| I heard on radio yesterday, that a County Clerk in NY has - Bob_Chicago on 6/30/11 12:02pm |
| Just incase... - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 12:08pm |
| I agree w/ Bob. Follow the law or resign your postion. n/m - Moneyman/TX on 6/30/11 12:41pm |
| Re: I heard on radio yesterday, that a County Clerk in NY has - MikeC/NY on 6/30/11 3:52pm |
| Here is a link that I found on Google. Posted w/o comment - Bob_Chicago on 6/30/11 4:18pm |
| Re: Here is a link that I found on Google. Posted w/o comment - MikeC/NY on 6/30/11 8:31pm |
| This is not a one size fits all situation IMHO - SouthernOK on 6/30/11 12:08pm |
| Re: This is not a one size fits all situation IMHO - JustANotary on 6/30/11 12:11pm |
| If baby dies in utero? n/m - SouthernOK on 6/30/11 12:13pm |
| Re: If baby dies in utero? - JanetK_CA on 6/30/11 6:21pm |
| Not picking on you but if you're in Ca maybe you should - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 12:12pm |
| Why is it anyone's business WHAT is in the doc??? - NJDiva on 6/30/11 12:17pm |
| oops, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION n/m - NJDiva on 6/30/11 12:18pm |
| Re: Why is it anyone's business WHAT is in the doc??? - JustANotary on 6/30/11 12:18pm |
| Seen it here many times, how do I determine that? - NJDiva on 6/30/11 12:29pm |
| Re: Why is it anyone's business WHAT is in the doc??? - SharonMN on 7/1/11 3:49pm |
| It is time for you to resign your commission - HisHughness on 6/30/11 12:24pm |
| Re: It is time for you to resign your commission - JustANotary on 6/30/11 12:28pm |
| If they feel they are incapable of doing the job ... Yes. n/m - Moneyman/TX on 6/30/11 12:39pm |
| Re: It is time for you to resign your commission - JanetK_CA on 6/30/11 6:24pm |
| I (heart) Hugh n/m - SouthernOK on 6/30/11 12:30pm |
| I (heart) Hugh - NJDiva on 6/30/11 12:34pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 12:47pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - JustANotary on 6/30/11 12:59pm |
| lol...but the point is.... - NJDiva on 6/30/11 1:10pm |
| Re: lol...but the point is.... - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 1:15pm |
| Re: lol...but the point is.... - JustANotary on 6/30/11 1:30pm |
| OH, boy.... - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 1:35pm |
| Is that the title of the affidavit???? - NJDiva on 6/30/11 2:23pm |
| Yes, Hugh addressed the absurd reference to Nazi Germany, - Susan Fischer on 6/30/11 3:07pm |
| We cannot answer your question about notaries in - jba/fl on 6/30/11 8:01pm |
| JustANotary you should take this to politics IMO n/m - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 1:14pm |
| JustANotary, you should get off your righteous high horse - HisHughness on 6/30/11 1:15pm |
| Bravo, Hugh!!!! n/m - JanetK_CA on 6/30/11 6:29pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 1:15pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - JustANotary on 6/30/11 1:40pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - HisHughness on 6/30/11 1:59pm |
|  Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - JustANotary on 6/30/11 2:13pm |
|  If that's the case, tell us how your IRS audit turned out - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 2:22pm |
|  Re: If that's the case, tell us how your IRS audit turned out - JustANotary on 6/30/11 2:27pm |
|  deducting for meals! n/m - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 2:30pm |
|  Re: deducting for meals! - JustANotary on 6/30/11 2:34pm |
|  Re: deducting for meals! - Notarysigner on 6/30/11 2:38pm |
| JUSTANOTARY...TAKE THIS TO POLITICS...I DON'T CARE!!! - NJDiva on 6/30/11 2:34pm |
| Actually, this started out as being published in the - Linda_H/FL on 6/30/11 2:42pm |
| Not the Germany stuff and the person's moral beliefs... - NJDiva on 6/30/11 2:52pm |
| That was the whole point of the article - Linda_H/FL on 6/30/11 3:11pm |
| And I was referring to the Germany, morals, blah, blah, blah - NJDiva on 6/30/11 3:30pm |
|  Re: And I was referring to the Germany, morals, blah, blah, blah - JanetK_CA on 6/30/11 6:35pm |
 | Re: Actually, this started out as being published in the - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 3:08pm |
| Re: Actually, this started out as being published in the - HisHughness on 6/30/11 3:14pm |
| You are a piece of work, JustANotary - HisHughness on 6/30/11 3:09pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - KSMONotary on 6/30/11 1:59pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - Buddy Young on 6/30/11 6:19pm |
| Re: National Notary Assn & Abortion.... - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 2:12pm |
| This should be in politics, but here goes.... - GOLDGIRL/CA on 6/30/11 2:47pm |
| Re: This should be in politics, but here goes.... - Buddy Young on 6/30/11 6:27pm |
| Public statement - MikeC/NY on 6/30/11 8:14pm |
| I'll just add my 2 cents... - MikeC/NY on 6/30/11 4:54pm |
| Re: I'll just add my 2 cents... - JustANotary on 6/30/11 9:18pm |
| Re: I'll just add my 2 cents... - Marian_in_CA on 6/30/11 9:22pm |
| Re: I'll just add my 2 cents... - jba/fl on 6/30/11 9:33pm |
| And to add: - Sylvia_FL on 6/30/11 9:45pm |
| Re: I'll just add my 2 cents... - Sylvia_FL on 6/30/11 9:40pm |
| I can't quite believe this thread took off like it did. The - MW/VA on 6/30/11 9:29pm |
| By the way.....The NNA does monitor this board. - Shoshana/AZ on 7/1/11 7:02am |
| If they do, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to see the "stir" - MW/VA on 7/1/11 9:00am |
