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Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow.
Posted by  LKT/CA of CA on 7/24/11 10:11pm Msg #391032
Since CWs cannot benefit financially from the transaction, nor can they be named in the document, that means beneficiaries and heirs (immediate family and to a degree extended family) cannot be CWs.......with that said, I also tell people CWs cannot be related to the principle by blood, marriage or adoption. The beneficiary does not have to be family related and are excluded as a CW.

Imagine the whole family fighting in court over who will have guardianship over "grandma" - financially and healthwise. Powers of attorney forms, financial documents and healthcare directives were notarized and CWs were used because "grandma" had no valid ID....her DL expired 20 years ago and no one bothered to get her a state ID card.

One family member doesn't like that so-and-so is in charge of grandma so he/she sues and names all of the family and the Notary as defendants......every decision made on grandmas behalf and every part of the notarizations are scrutinized, down to who were the CWs and the Notary's journal shows that two family members were the CWs - those two CW are heirs down the line somewhere. Though this was explained to the CWs at the time of the notarizations but they thought nothing of it since they are family members "down the line". Well, the judge declares the family members are not down the line but "up the line".....enough so that they should not have been CWs. The Notary will be blamed for this.

So to avoid any such possible scenario to ever creep upon me, I instruct people to have CWs that are NOT related to the principle by blood, marriage or adoption and I have these CWs take an oath to this along with the oath that the principal person before us is in fact John/Jane Doe. Just as I ask for fingerprints from ALL signers, regardless of the doc, and I do NOT notarize for anyone related to me by blood, marriage or adoption, I ensure that CWs are NOT related to the principal signer.

Though it may be legal, I do not believe it is in the best interest of anyone to use family as CWs. Too much liability on the Notary - IMHO.
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 UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/24/11 8:33pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow.....I'm confused -  Linda_H/FL on 7/24/11 8:38pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow.....I'm confused -  Marian_in_CA on 7/24/11 9:16pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  LKT/CA on 7/24/11 10:11pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/24/11 10:42pm
 I think your response is absolutely correct. -  Joan Bergstrom on 7/24/11 11:50pm
 Re: I think your response is absolutely correct. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 12:34am
 Disagree. - FlaNotary2 on 7/25/11 10:00am
 Well, said Robert...I agree n/m -  Linda_H/FL on 7/25/11 10:06am
 Re: Well, said Robert...I agree -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 11:29am
 But isn't it one of the basic principles of the office of - FlaNotary2 on 7/25/11 12:19pm
 Re: But isn't it one of the basic principles of the office of -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 12:41pm
 Re: Disagree. -  LKT/CA on 7/25/11 4:55pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  LKT/CA on 7/25/11 1:08am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 1:55am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  JanetK_CA on 7/25/11 2:02am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 2:09am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Notarysigner on 7/25/11 8:18am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 11:24am
 Thanks Marian for that info and. -  Notarysigner on 7/25/11 12:15pm
 SO COOL thanks again...I didn't have -  Notarysigner on 7/25/11 12:40pm
 Re: SO COOL thanks again...I didn't have -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 12:48pm
 Re: Thanks Marian for that info and. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 12:44pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. - FlaNotary2 on 7/25/11 10:09am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 11:26am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  JanetK_CA on 7/26/11 1:29am
 Here's an example - FlaNotary2 on 7/26/11 7:47am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  LKT/CA on 7/25/11 4:46pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/25/11 5:02pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  LKT/CA on 7/25/11 9:47pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  JanetK_CA on 7/26/11 2:49am
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. - NotaryMot/CA on 7/24/11 11:51pm
 Re: UPS Notary Experience. Wow. -  JanetK_CA on 7/25/11 12:57am
 UPS/Pack-N-Ship/Amscot notaries are the absolute - FlaNotary2 on 7/25/11 10:12am
 Test a UPS notary and put your commission at risk? - MaggieMae_CA on 7/25/11 1:44pm
 Seriously? - FlaNotary2 on 7/25/11 3:27pm



 
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