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Re: You're comparing apples to oranges
Posted by  Marian_in_CA of CA on 7/27/11 1:09pm Msg #391598
"If someone has ID, it is not "very difficult or impossible" for them to obtain one - because they already have one."

Robert, you're making my point for me here. A lot of notaries here feel that way. But... that's an opinion more than a fact. You can only refuse for things you KNOW to be untrue. Like I said, the "difficult or impossible" requirement is not a determination for the Notary to make. If the CW believes it to be true and is willing to swear to it... than it is what it is. We (in CA) can only refuse if we know they are lying. How can you determine if somebody's "reasonable belief" is a lie?

Lets say you have 5 random people in front of you. You asked all of them to bend over and touch their toes. Well, some of them can do it easily... others not at all. For others it could be a real struggle. From your point of view, you're looking at 5 people who appear to be capable. But, what if one of the guys has severe arthritis, scoliosis and neurological condition that makes moving/bending over intolerable? The act of bending over to touch his toes may be extremely difficult and painful, and perhaps even ill-advised. But... YOU think he should be able to do it if he just tried hard enough, right... after all... he's got two arms and two legs... just bend over already!

What I'm trying to impart is that "reasonable belief" does not equate to fact... and the notary cannot take their opinion and impose it as fact. And, as I said before, the "very difficult or impossible" belief is not up to the notary to decide, it's up to the CW.

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 Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 7:29pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  jba/fl on 7/26/11 7:35pm
 LOL! Technicalities! n/m -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 7:36pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  Notarysigner on 7/26/11 8:12pm
 correction.. -  Notarysigner on 7/26/11 8:14pm
 Re: correction.. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 8:17pm
 Re: correction.. -  Notarysigner on 7/26/11 8:22pm
 Re: correction.. -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 8:28pm
 First of all, this circumstance is extremely unlikely - FlaNotary2 on 7/26/11 8:19pm
 Re: First of all, this circumstance is extremely unlikely -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 8:26pm
 To add to that... -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 8:38pm
 I could easily justify the refusal - FlaNotary2 on 7/26/11 8:46pm
 Re: I could easily justify the refusal -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 8:54pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... - Lee/AR on 7/26/11 8:20pm
 PLEASE continue I believe you. LOL n/m -  Notarysigner on 7/26/11 8:24pm
 It's also obvious that the writer failed to mention taht - FlaNotary2 on 7/26/11 8:27pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  MW/VA on 7/26/11 8:44pm
 Hence, the "gray area" I mentioned. You guys are funny! n/m - Jules/CA on 7/26/11 9:16pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  JanetK_CA on 7/27/11 11:51pm
 On another note - FlaNotary2 on 7/26/11 8:47pm
 Re: On another note - Sylvia_FL on 7/26/11 9:25pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... - Jules/CA on 7/26/11 9:11pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 9:40pm
 How did Irene get to CA? -  jba/fl on 7/26/11 10:06pm
 Re: How did Irene get to CA? - Lee/AR on 7/26/11 10:12pm
 Re: How did Irene get to CA? -  jba/fl on 7/26/11 10:13pm
 You guys are too funny. n/m -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 10:17pm
 Re: How did Irene get to CA? - Jules/CA on 7/26/11 10:48pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... - Jules/CA on 7/26/11 10:45pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  LKT/CA on 7/26/11 11:11pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  Marian_in_CA on 7/26/11 11:28pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  LKT/CA on 7/26/11 11:38pm
 Re: Interesting information from CA SoS's office... -  Marian_in_CA on 7/27/11 12:09am
 Marian, this brings us back to the original issue I raised - FlaNotary2 on 7/27/11 8:15am
 Re: Marian, this brings us back to the original issue I raised -  Marian_in_CA on 7/27/11 10:56am
 You're comparing apples to oranges - FlaNotary2 on 7/27/11 11:46am
 Re: You're comparing apples to oranges -  Marian_in_CA on 7/27/11 1:09pm
 Re: You're comparing apples to oranges - Jules/CA on 8/2/11 8:59pm



 
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