Here is the true skinny on
Presentment work aka Honor/Dishonor work aka Notary Acceptor aka Notary Mail Forwarding work
Note re business potential -
Only notaries in a small handful of states are permitted to handle this work even though a seal is rarely used. So business opportunities for US notaries are few and far between. CA, WA, and AZ are among the many, many states forbidding this work.
All of this work involves using UCCs - the Universal Commercial Code. UCCs are international commerce codes.
There are no set rules or procedures for how to use UCC codes. But some smart people have come up with some strategies that seem to work for lots of people.
These strategies are passed around via internet "radio" programs, emails, CDs, DVDs, and word of mouth or email.
That's why most of the people who call us about this work have absolutely no clue what notaries are and are not permitted to do - in general as well as in a specific state.
Unfortunately for us, the people using the UCCs and Presentments to fight foreclosure are in a panic so they make little sense because they are in an emotional state, not a rational one.
Here's a website pdf outlining the usual process -
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/ChallJurisdiction/NotaryCertDefMeth/RespondingToPresentments.pdf
I personally know one very honest and good man back east who is using this method to fight foreclosure on his house. Basically, he has been using the Presentment process as a stalling mechanism while he assembled, sued, and now conducts his ongoing court case against the lender. His court case has been going on for many months.
He has proof the lender falsified documents so there is every chance of him winning.
I wish him all luck.
Other people using Presentment to fight foreclosure use the UCC codes to demand copies of documents the lender says they don't possess. (The borrowers have the copies and just want the lenders to show the court the docs with illegal activity or promises that were later broken.)
In these cases, the lenders just don't appear in court because they know they are guilty as heck. After several no shows, the borrowers are awarded the win and get to keep their home.
Lots of the people who want notaries to do Presentment work are nuts, I'll grant you that. Especially the so-called Constitutionalists who want to get out of paying their income tax.
Other people just want to right a wrong, like the people I have spoken with.
I spoke with another fellow here in the west several times. He is fighting a big box store for bait and switch selling. Basically he is using the UCC1 codes to get the store to admit to wrongful activity so he can return the item and get his money back with all interest charged on his big box store card reversed.
What's great about this type of conflict resolution is that it levels the playing field for the little guy because the UCC1s can be used entirely away from the courts and attorneys. UCC codes require that businesses respond to consumer complaints in specific ways over specific time periods. When attorneys are used, it's usually a matter of whoever has more funds for lawyers is the winner. With UCC code use, anything can happen. It is all about behavior, history, and proof on paper.
"Leveling the playing field" is music to this old flower child's ears.
As I said in a previous post, only notaries in a small handful of states are permitted to handle this work even though a seal is rarely used. I refer all notary service inquiries to a highly experienced and professional notary in PA. Since almost all of the work is handled via postal mail, this works fine.
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Now everyone knows how old I am.
Hope this helps, LauraV |
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|  Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Dorothy/MI on 4/22/05 11:00am |
|  Good job, Dorothy-MI! n/m -  Brenda Stone on 4/22/05 11:07am |
|  Thank you again, Dorothy and Brenda, et al!! - Mary Mantz on 4/22/05 4:42pm |
| further evidence of a slow down - anon on 4/22/05 11:48am |
| Loan Signer Training - Anya/LA (CA) on 4/22/05 1:04pm |
|  Re: Loan Signer Training - MaggieMae_CA on 4/22/05 3:23pm |
| Re: Loan Signer Training - Mary Mantz on 4/22/05 4:45pm |
| Added to thread #33325-Counter-point View- NSA training - BrendaTX on 7/13/05 9:06am |
| Re: Loan Signer Training - Carlos/CA on 12/10/10 12:10pm |
| Re: further evidence of a slow down - Stephen_VA on 4/22/05 2:51pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - chelleCA on 4/22/05 2:11pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Knotaree DC on 4/22/05 3:49pm |
| Re: ALMOST everything you need to know to become successful - JanetK/CA on 7/18/05 12:33am |
| Details and Accuracy are Important - adding to #33325 - BrendaTX on 7/14/05 11:00am |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Laura_NH on 4/22/05 10:50pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Sansan7 on 5/18/05 9:11pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - David Woodul on 5/30/05 5:30pm |
| CA-Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Elda Garibay on 6/1/05 2:17pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - sweetpea, al on 6/1/05 5:50pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - nkroyall on 6/7/05 4:17pm |
| Additional information - Not an entitlement - Dorothy/MI on 6/13/05 8:57am |
| Bookmark 'em - BrendaTX on 6/13/05 9:32am |
| Re: Additional information - Not an entitlement - Judith_VA on 6/13/05 3:00pm |
| Re: Additional information - spell check - SamIam_CA on 6/13/05 3:27pm |
| Recommended Reading: As a new NSA..here is my perspective - BrendaTx on 6/13/05 9:32pm |
| Re: Recommended Reading: Added Nicole to #33325 thread n/m - BrendaTx on 6/13/05 9:33pm |
| Re: Additional information - Not an entitlement - NJDiva on 9/29/10 10:00pm |
| Adding to "Success" thread #33325 - Here's eDoc practice. - BrendaTx on 6/13/05 9:36pm |
| HP Printers/Printer Command Language (PCL) by PAW_Fl - BrendaTX on 6/17/05 8:51am |
| Re: Adding to "Success" thread #33325 - Here's eDoc practice. - katsr_CA on 8/31/05 2:40pm |
| Re: Adding to "Success" thread #33325 - Here's eDoc practice. - DTNotaries on 3/16/06 6:59pm |
| Re: 2nd link doesn't work any longer - Jodith/WA on 1/2/10 6:25pm |
| Jodith, this is a very old thread (4 years) - BrendaTx on 1/2/10 6:31pm |
|  Re: Jodith, this is a very old thread (4 years) - Jodith Allen on 1/2/10 6:39pm |
| Re: More advice from Brenda/TX - Dorothy/MI on 6/16/05 9:55pm |
| Beginner's FAQs (Compliments of AngelinaAZ) - BrendaTX on 6/17/05 5:13am |
| Making the Confirmation Call...by Iris-WA - BrendaTX on 7/12/05 2:56pm |
| What Ernest CT says about the Confirmation Call - BrendaTX on 7/12/05 2:58pm |
| Why people are reluctant to post TC info from Nd_WA - BrendaTX on 7/21/05 8:10am |
| Re: Why people are reluctant to post TC info from Nd_WA - tfarmertx on 7/23/05 8:02pm |
| Acronyms regarding loans by Brian/CA - BrendaTX on 7/21/05 9:07pm |
| Re: Acronyms regarding loans by Brian/CA - linda/ca on 7/23/05 9:51pm |
| Re: Acronyms regarding loans by Brian/CA - linda/ca on 7/24/05 3:19am |
| End of Month - Bonnie/FL Explains - BrendaTX on 7/24/05 12:48pm |
| Accepting an Assignment / Quoting Fee / EOM (+ to #33325) - Brenda Stone on 7/26/05 4:13am |
| Small claims court for #33325 by Nicole & by Melody - BrendaTX on 7/26/05 5:05am |
| Quoting your fee to SS's...ASK like THIS - TCMN on 7/26/05 5:19pm |
| Birth, Labor & Delivery of a mortgage loan - by Renee Kovacs - BrendaTX on 9/19/05 1:07pm |
| Clues to spotting a Signing Services to void by Charles_CA - Iris Grayson on 9/19/05 4:11pm |
| Pricing and Fees by NorCalDar on 10/7/05 - BrendaTX on 10/7/05 1:47pm |
| Re: Pricing and Fees by NorCalDar on 10/7/05 - Nathan Ellsworth on 10/19/05 11:19pm |
| I disagree - the $10 @ is justified - ALL SONOMA MOBILE NOTARY - Judith Neeley on 2/19/08 9:13pm |
| Required Reading - NSA 101-Orientation by Roger OH - BrendaTx on 11/14/05 3:56pm |
| Required Reading - NSA 101 - UPDATE to #33325- by Roger OH - BrendaTx on 5/17/06 5:24pm |
| Adding #76283 to the thread of Message #33325 - BrendaTx on 1/27/06 12:21pm |
| Jersey Boy's 2 cents... Adding to #33325 - BrendaTx on 2/3/06 10:21am |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Brenda Stone on 2/5/06 3:50pm |
| For Income Tax starting place, see Msg #94550 - BrendaTx on 2/5/06 3:52pm |
| A Lesson on Attitude for New SAs... - BrendaTx on 2/9/06 3:00pm |
| A Lesson on Attitude for new SA's .... by JanetK_CA - TitleGalCA on 2/9/06 8:27pm |
| above post by JanetK_CA, not TitleGal N~M - TitleGalCA on 2/9/06 8:28pm |
| Posted from msg 95364 - Brenda_TX - Newbie Msg for Today - Dorothy_MI on 2/10/06 2:37pm |
| Re: Posted from msg 95364 - Brenda_TX - Newbie Msg for Today - lulu on 2/10/06 3:11pm |
| Msg List - Going Mobile - adding to #33325 (From BeccaFL) - BrendaTx on 2/13/06 10:20am |
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| From CharlesCA - Adding to 33325 - True Professional Society - BrendaTx on 2/13/06 3:07pm |
| Tina of MA re: Fees - When to renegotiate a fee - BrendaTx on 3/28/06 4:06pm |
| The Other Side of the Coin (back by popular demand) - BrendaTx on 3/28/06 5:04pm |
| Discussing the title company solicitation....added to #33325 - BrendaTx on 3/31/06 2:55pm |
| No HUD with the package from PAW-FL //added to #33325 - BrendaTx on 4/2/06 12:59pm |
| Signing errors through the lenders eyes by Renee Kovacs - TitleGalCA on 4/5/06 11:31pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Anonymous from 71.66.111.249 on 4/30/06 6:24pm |
| Deed of Trust/Mortgage by Atty - Kevin/CT added to #33325 - BrendaTx on 5/2/06 12:28pm |
| Re: Deed of Trust/Mortgage - PAW - Added to #33325 - BrendaTx on 5/2/06 12:30pm |
| Notary Certifying Copy - See Thread beginning w/Msg #117135 n/m - BrendaTx on 5/2/06 12:32pm |
| Additional Info -- especially if you live alone - Dorothy_MI on 5/5/06 1:28pm |
| Manufactured Homes / Finding Info by Lawrence OK - BrendaTx on 5/7/06 7:55pm |
| Adding to #33325 - My First Signing & Marketing by eboughey - BrendaTx on 5/11/06 7:43am |
| Adding to 33325 - StamperWI - Standard Fees Calculation - BrendaTx on 5/12/06 9:18am |
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| New Signing Agents-Read This First! Adding to #33325 Marlene - BrendaTx on 5/19/06 9:24am |
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| Re: Signing prior to printed date BarbaraL-CA added to 33325 - BrendaTx on 5/19/06 9:37am |
| How to get help on this forum - CaliNotary added to 33325 - BrendaTx on 5/19/06 4:48pm |
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| Apostille (or apostilles) Adding to #33325 [by Gerry VT] - BrendaTx on 5/31/06 5:55pm |
| Addition to 33325 - First & Second by ND-WA and CMS-NY - BrendaTx on 6/1/06 10:39am |
| By BrendaTX 5/26/06: *...for those who understand business* - Ndwa on 6/2/06 4:20pm |
| Id on the Amish - Stamper/WI - adding to 33325 - BrendaTx on 6/6/06 7:04pm |
| Newbies - a lesson on attitude by Janet K - adding to 33325 - BrendaTx on 6/8/06 10:54am |
| Date Clarification - Roger OH - adding to 33325 - BrendaTx on 6/23/06 2:52pm |
| Considerations for getting started/Dorothy MI /add to #33325 - BrendaTx on 7/9/06 1:15pm |
| For the Newbies.. Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 - Brenda Stone on 7/17/06 1:24pm |
| More Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 - BrendaTx on 7/17/06 1:41pm |
| Re: More Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 - BrendaTx on 7/17/06 1:55pm |
| Re: More Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 - Brad/AZ on 4/3/07 2:30pm |
| Slow down in Business - Surfers or Signers - add to #33325 - BrendaTx on 7/19/06 2:11pm |
| Adding to 33325 - From One Newbie to Another - Great advice - BrendaTx on 8/12/06 12:05pm |
| Re: Adding to 33325 -Check list of compter needs for working - hcampersFL on 10/30/06 7:10am |
| From one Newbie to another…Sharon Nunley - BrendaTx on 2/9/07 6:43am |
| Re: From one Newbie to another…Sharon Nunley - BrendaTx on 2/9/07 6:44am |
| History of the loan industry and how it affects NSAs today - Laura Vestanen on 3/18/07 6:36pm |
| If you're a newbee and take $50 signings, PLEASE read - Laura Vestanen on 4/2/07 7:54pm |
| Update to Famous Message 33325 - Tim_Mphs/TN on 4/28/07 3:02am |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Stella Gonzales on 5/3/07 7:23pm |
| Dressing Professionally - by kcg/IN - adding to #33325 - BrendaTx on 5/4/07 12:12pm |
| All of the VA Crespa questions - by Shannon Va- +'d to33325 - BrendaTx on 5/28/07 9:18am |
| First, learn the basics of signing. Added to #33325 - BrendaTx on 9/4/07 6:41am |
| Important for NSAs in Illinois, Maryland, So Carolina, Mass - Laura Vestanen on 11/11/07 5:35am |
| Before you think about starting - by CJ in CA - add to 33325 - BrendaTx on 11/15/07 2:47pm |
| NSA Professional Standards - MistarellaFL on 8/16/08 11:36am |
| The Client/Vendor Relationship -- a MUST see video!! - Marian_in_CA on 5/31/09 4:28pm |
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| Re: True skinny: Notarial protest / certificate of dishonor - Robert/FL on 11/12/09 11:51am |
| Believe in yourself! - John_NorCal on 10/24/09 10:22am |
| Forgot to add..... - John_NorCal on 10/24/09 12:52pm |
| Our fees + their relevancy to state of industry - Laura_V on 10/29/09 11:25am |
| Re: What is a good rate to set and keep? - Laura_V on 11/25/09 11:57am |
| A perspective on our business Posted by JanetK_CA 1/5/10 - Laura_V on 1/5/10 6:34pm |
| Post by Les CO re the current state and probable future of.. - Laura_V on 1/12/10 10:05am |
| Better is not always cheaper & Cheaper is not always better - Moneyman/TX on 12/4/10 1:11am |
| You are an Independent Contractor...not an employee... - Lee/AR on 4/12/10 8:16am |
| Buddy's Lessons - For New Notaries 101 - BrendaTx on 6/2/12 9:03am |
| SS&TC Research Our Industry-We are Certified for God's Sake - bygrace/PA on 6/21/12 6:33pm |
| Decide if you are a Checker, Poker or Chess Player - bygrace/PA on 6/21/12 6:37pm |
| Tipsabout using signing central and NR forum from NJDIVA - SheilaSJCA on 8/23/12 11:07am |
| Please send information to... - Olivia Mosley on 1/13/15 11:56am |
| Olivia Mosley - you are in old files - jba/fl on 1/13/15 8:05pm |
| Sequence of events - Lender to NSA by Deborah Breedlove - BrendaTx on 9/27/12 10:15pm |
| Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Janice Stephens on 10/19/12 12:36pm |
| Don't work for Low Ball, No Pay Companies - BrendaTx on 10/20/12 1:46pm |
| Sample Loan Document Package - BrendaTx on 11/25/12 3:58pm |
| Re: Sample Loan Document Package - HisHughness on 11/25/12 4:23pm |
| LOL~! n/m - BrendaTx on 11/25/12 7:45pm |
| Key Tools for Maximizing NSA Success (adding to 33325) - BrendaTx on 2/4/13 6:32am |
