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Additional information - Not an entitlement
Posted by Dorothy/MI of ? on 6/13/05 8:57am Msg #44234
*** THEY TOO were once a "NEWBIE" *** These are words that we all have heard time and time again. Brenda posted this answer to a similar thread and mine follows hers:

From Brenda: Don't give up on your dream of having a business, but use your smarts to find a business that you know something about. IMHO, you came too late with too little to this one. Cut your losses and move on.

I.
I had a call from a woman who first called notaries in her area (DFW, Texas) for all the answers. They gave her some solid direction by telling her to start reading this board and to do internet research. Finally gave her a really straight answer "I am not the best one to ask, you are my competition." Then, they quit taking her calls because they realized she was not a self-starter and had this sense of entitlement that they should take half an hour from their work and focus on her needs. One of them told her to read my website and she found me and called. I told her the same about the others she had called and gave her all the info I give any "newbie" I have never heard of which is basically my contribution to message #33325, plus info on my inspection work which is in my newsletter blog and also in this board as well.

She read it and wrote back asking me questions that were already answered in the sources I gave her. I wrote her back and told her that it had taken me nearly two years to rise to the top of my heap without any direction except by taking an inventory of what I knew, therefore, that she should go back and read the info I had given her plus to expect the same (or longer) learning curve.

II.
I know a notary in another state who has started a totally unrelated business. She's doing her research on her new business and working night and day to get her business of the ground. She has studied, built a viable business plan, and even waited hours for an opportunity at the gates to visit key persons of a foreign embassy in her quest to start her business. That's the kind of determination you need to start a new business.

You don't get answers handed to you IF you are serious. If you want to get rich quick, find a wealthy relative and cozy up to them.

By the way, the total number of competitive businesses she has asked to mentor her or to train her is zero.

III.
Stop treating this like learning how to knit, cross stitch or run a hobby club. This is a business.

If you are in business, it implies you already know something about how to do the job.

If you are a newbie without experience or tight connections into mortgage, legal, title or real estate transactions...seriously...you have been scammed by your own laziness and unwillingness to crunch numbers, do research, develop a business plan and to establish a marketing plan.

Find something to do which you have a "bent" for. If you don't have some kind of background leading you into this business...wake up, folks. The refi boom is over. You will get nothing but the dregs and scraps of jobs that probably won't pay you.

AGAIN, I am not being a dream-stomper, or a negative person: Don't give up on your dream of having a business, but use your smarts to find a business that you know something about.

You came too late with too little to this one. Cut your losses and move on.

IV.
Here is an example of what you are doing:

I have never done windshield repair or state auto inspections. I see there is a lot of business here in town for that. I don't have a place to do this type of work. However, I hear the business is good. Today I think I will go around and ask the successful businesses if I can find out where I should locate my business for the best possible success...I want to find out how much they charge so I can be a little bit cheaper. I want them to tell me what business licenses I need, what regulations I need to learn, what state licenses I need. (If they gave me answers to these questions, WHY would I believe them???)

Oh yeah, and suppose they have a forum where these things are discussed online. I am too busy to read through their chatter...there's too much bull to wade through...surely they can just tell me exactly what I want to know, when I want to know it while I take notes. All the answers are there on that forum but it's too time consuming, you see. I am busy with other things. I want it given to me in a direct line at my convenience.

From Dorothy: If you are thinking about applying with a title company to do loan signings and you have not successful completed at LEAST 50 signings (100 is my recommendation) do yourself the biggest favor you could do and don't submit an application to these venues. Title companies are entirely UNFORGIVING if you make a mistake and if in conversation with them you don't sound like you know what you're talking about you will NEVER get work from them. There is a reason why we all have to learn to crawl before we walk and learn to walk before we can run. There are NO SHORTCUTS!!! Get much, much more knowledge and experience before you even attempt to get work from a title company. This is not that we don't want the competition, but that we don't want an unknowledgeble person literally ruining the business as a whole. Are you aware that there are several states that only attorneys can do closing in and we don't want this to spread to others because someone was looking for quick, easy money and really screwed something up, it got to court and then got the attention of the bar association and the states legislature and they decided to "protect" the public. Any of us who have been doing this profession (and it is a real profession and a real business) for any length of time whether we are doing it full time or as a dedicated part timer realizes this. Newbies come on this board and accuse us of being selfish all the time. It is not that, there are many on this board who will be glad to share information with anyone, but first you have to do your part and obtain as much information as you can on your own (that's the only true way any of us have of learning). Hugh, is one example (there are many others, of course) of someone who is extremely generous with his legal knowledge and shares it all the time. Just because you don't like the language it is couched in does not invalidate the knowledge itself!

This will probably stir up a hornet's nest from people reading this board who feel they have a sense of entitlement to be given "all" the answers and should only be spoken to with the kindest words and in the gentlest way so they can "feel" good. Remember back to our school days and the teachers we gained the most from were not always the most pleasant, the most fun, but the ones who were the real task masters and made us apply ourselves. The knowledge we acquired in thos classes stuck with us forever.

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 Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Dorothy/MI on 4/22/05 11:00am
 Good job, Dorothy-MI! n/m -  Brenda Stone on 4/22/05 11:07am
 Thank you again, Dorothy and Brenda, et al!! - Mary Mantz on 4/22/05 4:42pm
 further evidence of a slow down - anon on 4/22/05 11:48am
 Loan Signer Training - Anya/LA (CA) on 4/22/05 1:04pm
 Re: Loan Signer Training - MaggieMae_CA on 4/22/05 3:23pm
 Re: Loan Signer Training - Mary Mantz on 4/22/05 4:45pm
 Added to thread #33325-Counter-point View- NSA training -  BrendaTX on 7/13/05 9:06am
 Re: Loan Signer Training - Carlos/CA on 12/10/10 12:10pm
 Re: further evidence of a slow down -  Stephen_VA on 4/22/05 2:51pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - chelleCA on 4/22/05 2:11pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Knotaree DC on 4/22/05 3:49pm
 Re: ALMOST everything you need to know to become successful - JanetK/CA on 7/18/05 12:33am
 Details and Accuracy are Important - adding to #33325 -  BrendaTX on 7/14/05 11:00am
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful -  Laura_NH on 4/22/05 10:50pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Sansan7 on 5/18/05 9:11pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - David Woodul on 5/30/05 5:30pm
 CA-Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Elda Garibay on 6/1/05 2:17pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - sweetpea, al on 6/1/05 5:50pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - nkroyall on 6/7/05 4:17pm
 Additional information - Not an entitlement - Dorothy/MI on 6/13/05 8:57am
 Bookmark 'em - BrendaTX on 6/13/05 9:32am
 Re: Additional information - Not an entitlement -  Judith_VA on 6/13/05 3:00pm
 Re: Additional information - spell check - SamIam_CA on 6/13/05 3:27pm
 Recommended Reading: As a new NSA..here is my perspective - BrendaTx on 6/13/05 9:32pm
 Re: Recommended Reading: Added Nicole to #33325 thread n/m - BrendaTx on 6/13/05 9:33pm
 Re: Additional information - Not an entitlement - NJDiva on 9/29/10 10:00pm
 Adding to "Success" thread #33325 - Here's eDoc practice. - BrendaTx on 6/13/05 9:36pm
 HP Printers/Printer Command Language (PCL) by PAW_Fl - BrendaTX on 6/17/05 8:51am
 Re: Adding to "Success" thread #33325 - Here's eDoc practice. -  katsr_CA on 8/31/05 2:40pm
 Re: Adding to "Success" thread #33325 - Here's eDoc practice. - DTNotaries on 3/16/06 6:59pm
 Re: 2nd link doesn't work any longer - Jodith/WA on 1/2/10 6:25pm
 Jodith, this is a very old thread (4 years) -  BrendaTx on 1/2/10 6:31pm
 Re: Jodith, this is a very old thread (4 years) - Jodith Allen on 1/2/10 6:39pm
 Re: More advice from Brenda/TX - Dorothy/MI on 6/16/05 9:55pm
 Beginner's FAQs (Compliments of AngelinaAZ) -  BrendaTX on 6/17/05 5:13am
 Making the Confirmation Call...by Iris-WA -  BrendaTX on 7/12/05 2:56pm
 What Ernest CT says about the Confirmation Call - BrendaTX on 7/12/05 2:58pm
 Why people are reluctant to post TC info from Nd_WA -  BrendaTX on 7/21/05 8:10am
 Re: Why people are reluctant to post TC info from Nd_WA - tfarmertx on 7/23/05 8:02pm
 Acronyms regarding loans by Brian/CA -  BrendaTX on 7/21/05 9:07pm
 Re: Acronyms regarding loans by Brian/CA - linda/ca on 7/23/05 9:51pm
 Re: Acronyms regarding loans by Brian/CA - linda/ca on 7/24/05 3:19am
 End of Month - Bonnie/FL Explains -  BrendaTX on 7/24/05 12:48pm
 Accepting an Assignment / Quoting Fee / EOM (+ to #33325) -  Brenda Stone on 7/26/05 4:13am
 Small claims court for #33325 by Nicole & by Melody -  BrendaTX on 7/26/05 5:05am
 Quoting your fee to SS's...ASK like THIS - TCMN on 7/26/05 5:19pm
 Birth, Labor & Delivery of a mortgage loan - by Renee Kovacs - BrendaTX on 9/19/05 1:07pm
 Clues to spotting a Signing Services to void by Charles_CA - Iris Grayson on 9/19/05 4:11pm
  Pricing and Fees by NorCalDar on 10/7/05 -  BrendaTX on 10/7/05 1:47pm
 Re: Pricing and Fees by NorCalDar on 10/7/05 - Nathan Ellsworth on 10/19/05 11:19pm
 I disagree - the $10 @ is justified - ALL SONOMA MOBILE NOTARY - Judith Neeley on 2/19/08 9:13pm
 Required Reading - NSA 101-Orientation by Roger OH -  BrendaTx on 11/14/05 3:56pm
 Required Reading - NSA 101 - UPDATE to #33325- by Roger OH -  BrendaTx on 5/17/06 5:24pm
 Adding #76283 to the thread of Message #33325 - BrendaTx on 1/27/06 12:21pm
 Jersey Boy's 2 cents... Adding to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 2/3/06 10:21am
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Brenda Stone on 2/5/06 3:50pm
 For Income Tax starting place, see Msg #94550 - BrendaTx on 2/5/06 3:52pm
 A Lesson on Attitude for New SAs... - BrendaTx on 2/9/06 3:00pm
 A Lesson on Attitude for new SA's .... by JanetK_CA - TitleGalCA on 2/9/06 8:27pm
 above post by JanetK_CA, not TitleGal N~M - TitleGalCA on 2/9/06 8:28pm
 Posted from msg 95364 - Brenda_TX - Newbie Msg for Today - Dorothy_MI on 2/10/06 2:37pm
 Re: Posted from msg 95364 - Brenda_TX - Newbie Msg for Today - lulu on 2/10/06 3:11pm
 Msg List - Going Mobile - adding to #33325 (From BeccaFL) -  BrendaTx on 2/13/06 10:20am
 Mobile Office - adding to #33325 (From BeccaFL) w/ Keywords -  BrendaTx on 2/13/06 10:25am
 From CharlesCA - Adding to 33325 - True Professional Society -  BrendaTx on 2/13/06 3:07pm
 Tina of MA re: Fees - When to renegotiate a fee -  BrendaTx on 3/28/06 4:06pm
 The Other Side of the Coin (back by popular demand) -  BrendaTx on 3/28/06 5:04pm
 Discussing the title company solicitation....added to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 3/31/06 2:55pm
 No HUD with the package from PAW-FL //added to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 4/2/06 12:59pm
 Signing errors through the lenders eyes by Renee Kovacs -  TitleGalCA on 4/5/06 11:31pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Anonymous from 71.66.111.249 on 4/30/06 6:24pm
 Deed of Trust/Mortgage by Atty - Kevin/CT added to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/2/06 12:28pm
 Re: Deed of Trust/Mortgage - PAW - Added to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/2/06 12:30pm
 Notary Certifying Copy - See Thread beginning w/Msg #117135 n/m -  BrendaTx on 5/2/06 12:32pm
 Additional Info -- especially if you live alone -  Dorothy_MI on 5/5/06 1:28pm
 Manufactured Homes / Finding Info by Lawrence OK -  BrendaTx on 5/7/06 7:55pm
 Adding to #33325 - My First Signing & Marketing by eboughey -  BrendaTx on 5/11/06 7:43am
 Adding to 33325 - StamperWI - Standard Fees Calculation -  BrendaTx on 5/12/06 9:18am
 Msg to New Signing Agents from Sylvia_FL added to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/17/06 11:44am
 Demand for payment letter - adding to 33325 by droman_IL -  BrendaTx on 5/18/06 7:22am
 New Signing Agents-Read This First! Adding to #33325 Marlene -  BrendaTx on 5/19/06 9:24am
 Signing prior to printed date ReneeK - added to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/19/06 9:32am
 Re: Signing prior to printed date BarbaraL-CA added to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/19/06 9:37am
 How to get help on this forum - CaliNotary added to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/19/06 4:48pm
 About Backdating... by ReneeK adding to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/22/06 1:59pm
 Professionalism and Responsibility -  BrendaTx on 5/27/06 2:22pm
 Apostille (or apostilles) Adding to #33325 [by Gerry VT] -  BrendaTx on 5/31/06 5:55pm
 Addition to 33325 - First & Second by ND-WA and CMS-NY -  BrendaTx on 6/1/06 10:39am
 By BrendaTX 5/26/06: *...for those who understand business* -  Ndwa on 6/2/06 4:20pm
 Id on the Amish - Stamper/WI - adding to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 6/6/06 7:04pm
 Newbies - a lesson on attitude by Janet K - adding to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 6/8/06 10:54am
 Date Clarification - Roger OH - adding to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 6/23/06 2:52pm
 Considerations for getting started/Dorothy MI /add to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 7/9/06 1:15pm
 For the Newbies.. Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 -  Brenda Stone on 7/17/06 1:24pm
 More Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 -  BrendaTx on 7/17/06 1:41pm
 Re: More Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 -  BrendaTx on 7/17/06 1:55pm
 Re: More Things to carry with you/ADDING TO 33325 - Brad/AZ on 4/3/07 2:30pm
 Slow down in Business - Surfers or Signers - add to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 7/19/06 2:11pm
 Adding to 33325 - From One Newbie to Another - Great advice -  BrendaTx on 8/12/06 12:05pm
 Re: Adding to 33325 -Check list of compter needs for working -  hcampersFL on 10/30/06 7:10am
 From one Newbie to another…Sharon Nunley -  BrendaTx on 2/9/07 6:43am
 Re: From one Newbie to another…Sharon Nunley -  BrendaTx on 2/9/07 6:44am
 History of the loan industry and how it affects NSAs today - Laura Vestanen on 3/18/07 6:36pm
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 Update to Famous Message 33325 - Tim_Mphs/TN on 4/28/07 3:02am
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Stella Gonzales on 5/3/07 7:23pm
 Dressing Professionally - by kcg/IN - adding to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/4/07 12:12pm
 All of the VA Crespa questions - by Shannon Va- +'d to33325 -  BrendaTx on 5/28/07 9:18am
 First, learn the basics of signing. Added to #33325 -  BrendaTx on 9/4/07 6:41am
 Important for NSAs in Illinois, Maryland, So Carolina, Mass - Laura Vestanen on 11/11/07 5:35am
 Before you think about starting - by CJ in CA - add to 33325 -  BrendaTx on 11/15/07 2:47pm
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 Believe in yourself! -  John_NorCal on 10/24/09 10:22am
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 Our fees + their relevancy to state of industry - Laura_V on 10/29/09 11:25am
 Re: What is a good rate to set and keep? - Laura_V on 11/25/09 11:57am
 A perspective on our business Posted by JanetK_CA 1/5/10 - Laura_V on 1/5/10 6:34pm
 Post by Les CO re the current state and probable future of.. - Laura_V on 1/12/10 10:05am
 Better is not always cheaper & Cheaper is not always better -  Moneyman/TX on 12/4/10 1:11am
 You are an Independent Contractor...not an employee... - Lee/AR on 4/12/10 8:16am
 Buddy's Lessons - For New Notaries 101 -  BrendaTx on 6/2/12 9:03am
 SS&TC Research Our Industry-We are Certified for God's Sake - bygrace/PA on 6/21/12 6:33pm
 Decide if you are a Checker, Poker or Chess Player - bygrace/PA on 6/21/12 6:37pm
 Tipsabout using signing central and NR forum from NJDIVA -  SheilaSJCA on 8/23/12 11:07am
 Please send information to... - Olivia Mosley on 1/13/15 11:56am
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 Sequence of events - Lender to NSA by Deborah Breedlove -  BrendaTx on 9/27/12 10:15pm
 Re: Almost everything you need to know to become successful - Janice Stephens on 10/19/12 12:36pm
 Don't work for Low Ball, No Pay Companies -  BrendaTx on 10/20/12 1:46pm
 Sample Loan Document Package -  BrendaTx on 11/25/12 3:58pm
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 Key Tools for Maximizing NSA Success (adding to 33325) -  BrendaTx on 2/4/13 6:32am



 
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