Join  |  Login  |   Cart    

Notary Rotary
Just PoliticsLeisure
Welcome to the Notary Talk General Discussion Forum. Before posting, please read the


Re: What is your rule of thumb
Posted by  VT_Syrup of VT on 8/8/18 6:54pm Msg #596884
In terms of me deserving full payment even if somebody doesn't like the signature (and another full fee if they want it done over):

If I pursuade the signer to follow the written directions, I deserve full payment.

If the directions just say the signature must match what is printed under the signature line, and the signature is illegible, it matches. If they want a legible signature that matches what's printed under the signature, they have to spell that requirement out.

If they demand cursive and reject printing, the signer should sue them for age discrimination (not taught recently or discrimination on the basis of national origin (not taught to those who learn English as a second language).

In terms of what the law is, I believe RULONA captures it well (although this has been the operational definition since the invention of the telegraph). In the Vermont version,

(14) “Sign” means, with present intent to authenticate or adopt a record:
(A) to execute or adopt a tangible symbol; or
(B) to attach to or logically associate with the record an electronic symbol, sound, or process.

(15) “Signature” means a tangible symbol or an electronic signature that evidences the signing of a record.

As for "legal signature", because the meanings above are so broad, nearly anything can be a legal signature if the person who executes the record intends it to be their signature.

As for the signature on the driver license, if the signature on the driver license looks like the signature on the document, it will make it somewhat easier to defend the authenticity of the signature. But that doesn't mean a signature that looks totally different isn't legal. It isn't the notary's job to tell the signer exactly how their signature should look; that's a signing agent function. (Of course, if the signature seems deceptive to the notary, such as a person who's driver license says "Peter Piper" signs a very neat cursive "Nancy Drew", the notary should probably decline to act and just leave.)
PrevNextReturn to General Discussion    Post a Public Reply to this MessageSend Author a Private Message


Messages in this Thread
 What is your rule of thumb - Luckydog on 8/8/18 6:02pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb - Jose Gutierrez on 8/8/18 6:49pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb - Luckydog on 8/8/18 8:39pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb -  VT_Syrup on 8/8/18 6:54pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb - Yoli/CA on 8/8/18 7:48pm
 Exactly What Yoli Said - PegiT_MN on 8/8/18 8:37pm
 PAW had posted on the subject of "signatures" years ago. -  MW/VA on 8/8/18 7:45pm
 Another Perfect Explanation From MW . . . Thank you Marilynn n/m - PegiT_MN on 8/8/18 8:38pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb - Clem/CA on 8/8/18 8:34pm
 and - Clem/CA on 8/8/18 8:48pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb -  JanetK_CA on 8/8/18 11:31pm
 Interesting fun facts about signatures - Luckydog on 8/8/18 8:51pm
 Re: Interesting fun facts about signatures - Luckydog on 8/8/18 9:03pm
 Trip down memory lane... -  JanetK_CA on 8/8/18 11:42pm
 Re: Trip down memory lane... - Luckydog on 8/9/18 9:39am
 Correction: last msg# for Renee is 283897; it's a good one! n/m -  JanetK_CA on 8/9/18 2:10pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb - SteveS/CA on 8/9/18 6:51am
 Scribble signatures are my favorite. They always - ananotary on 8/9/18 8:36am
 Re: Scribble signatures are my favorite. They always - Luckydog on 8/9/18 9:48am
 Re: Scribble signatures are my favorite. They always -  VT_Syrup on 8/9/18 10:02am
 Re: Scribble signatures are my favorite. They always - Luckydog on 8/9/18 10:20am
 Re: Scribble signatures are my favorite. They always - SteveS/CA on 8/9/18 1:32pm
 Re: rule of thumb - Signerbill on 8/9/18 11:18am
 Re: rule of thumb - ArtG/KS on 8/9/18 11:38am
 Re: rule of thumb -  VT_Syrup on 8/9/18 12:18pm
 100 Percent agree with all posters - Luckydog on 8/9/18 2:38pm
 Re: rule of thumb--I had a borrower name was William signed -  OR on 8/9/18 8:31pm
 Re: rule of thumb--I had a borrower name was William signed - Luckydog on 8/10/18 10:18am
 I have had that happen... - FeliseSoCal on 8/9/18 4:18pm
 Re: I have had that happen... - BearPaw/CO on 8/9/18 9:26pm
 Re: What is your rule of thumb -  Barbara___IL on 8/10/18 7:03am
 Re: What is your rule of thumb - doglover/CA on 8/10/18 6:03pm
 Well glad I am not alone in this confusion, lol n/m - Luckydog on 8/10/18 9:55pm
 Re: Well glad I am not alone in this confusion, lol - Cheryl/SC on 8/11/18 3:14pm



 
Find a Notary   Notary Supplies   Terms   Privacy Statement   Help/FAQ   About   Contact Us   Archive  
 
Notary Rotary™ is a trademark of Notary Rotary. Copyright © 2002-2024, Notary Rotary, Inc.  All rights reserved.
500 New York Ave, Des Moines, IA 50313.