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An honest and serious request re: Msg #70112, CH2inCA
Posted by Moneyman/TX of TX on 5/2/17 11:04pm Msg #70154
re: Msg #70112

First, let me say, CH2inCA, your post just happened to be the first one I came to with the specific subject I am asking about, this isn't meant to be seen as an attack on you specifically as many others have voiced a similar opinion in the past. Your message is being cited merely as a reference point for the topic itself.

Desiring a truthful and honest intellectual discussion on this specific topic on my part, and with absolutely no condensation on my part intended, can you, CH2inCA, please explain to me the exact reasons you consider a country, actually any country, that wishes to protect its borders and decide who, by granting permission, my enter and/or live within said country's borders can be considered "racist"? As I noted prior, many others have also voiced a similar belief, regardless of their personal political ideology or leanings, therefore, my request for an honest discussion and insightful reasons as to how a person might arrive to believe this specific viewpoint is open to all.

Since the idea of a wall, a structure, something/anything a country might deploy to mark and protect its borders is not a new idea to either the U.S. or to the world at large, may I please ask that any supporting arguments for such an action being viewed as "racist" not be hinged on such things as "Trump is a racist" or "Trump said this or that which proves it's racist" type of arguments. Those types of arguments are possible arguments against him, a political party or a political ideology but do not actually address the question I am asking about. Looking at our own history shows that similar arguments have been used by both sides against the other and neither of the 2 major US political parties have been consistent on which side - view - or belief - they claim to take on the exact same * actual * issue over time.

I'm looking for insight into why someone would consider the actions itself of a county wanting to 1) protect its own borders (e.g. from foreign invaders, illegal gangs & activities, in other words in order to protect its own sovereignty and citizens, etc.) and, 2) have the final decision on which aliens it will/will not allow to enter and/or reside within its borders- potentially becoming citizens of said country, or just visitors, or even just a temporary workers/students. Clearly, worldwide, these are not new, foreign, or even discouraged concepts; to the contrary, they are seen as a basic right of every sovereign State.
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Messages in this Thread
 An honest and serious request re: Msg #70112, CH2inCA - Moneyman/TX on 5/2/17 11:04pm
 Moneyman--Thank you for the request - CH2inCA on 5/3/17 9:51am
 Chris don't hold your breath - bagger on 5/3/17 4:26pm
 The question is open to anyone so I'm willing to give time.. - Moneyman/TX on 5/7/17 9:44am
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - MikeC/TX on 5/7/17 6:57pm
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - LKT/CA on 5/8/17 5:12pm
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - Moneyman/TX on 5/18/17 1:24pm
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - FGX/NJ on 5/9/17 11:31am
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - MikeC/TX on 5/9/17 4:11pm
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - FGX/NJ on 5/9/17 4:53pm
 Re: The question is open to anyone so I - MikeC/TX on 5/9/17 6:19pm
 Apologies for the delay in responding - Moneyman/TX on 5/18/17 1:19pm
 Should have added this info to above reply - Moneyman/TX on 5/18/17 2:20pm



 
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