... very important, as always) Understanding exactly WHEN the document was drafted will also go a long way in understanding who Art. II is intended to reference when it comes to who should be counted for that specific purpose (i.e. citizens of the US, in today's terminology)
"We the People of the United States..." - The first 7 words of the U.S. Constitution
Are you in some way suggesting that the writers of the Constitution should have believed that readers of it would be so obtuse that they would have to repeat this phrase at the start of every single paragraph and that since they did not do so, illegal aliens now have a right to join in and decide our (citizens') representatives, our laws, and our government policies?
Mike, unless you are willing to clearly and plainly say that you believe that illegal aliens should be counted when it comes to the apportionment of federal representation numbers please don't argue that point without the courage to actually state the very premise your arguments are based on.
"This was the best argument you could come up with?"
Since you did not actually address my actual argument it must have been an effective one, wouldn't you agree? (illegal aliens, and any other non-citizen residents, should be counted for a number of reasons, but to decide government representation numbers for citizens is not one of them)
"...question has not been ... (asked)... for 70 years..."
The question had never been asked before it actually was the very first time. Respectfully, SO WHAT!!
What kind of argument is this, and why are people falling for arguing about how long ago it was asked instead of debating the real issue supposedly being discussed? When it comes to deciding how much representation citizens should have in Washington, the question should have never not been asked (in the context of this discussion).
While the protections of our Constitution are afforded to citizens and anyone whose feet are planted on U.S. soil, the belief that non-citizens have the right to vote in our elections, have a right to have a say when it comes to picking OUR federal representatives, or to believe that their voice should be heard and responded to above any citizens' voice when it comes to drafting legislation and/or laws is a delusional belief (irrespective of that same person's political views).
"If you answer "no" to that question, you will most likely be vacuumed up in an ICE raid."
Please provide your supporting proof of this version of basically the latest poll tested inflammatory argumentum ad ignorantiam. Since there is no actual evidence that this will not happen, so therefore, it must be true. <smh>
The "fear of an ICE raid" argument on this topic is just as fallacious as the argument that if local law enforcement officials work with ICE that illegal aliens will not report crimes for fear of being deported. American citizens who happen to have a warrant due to unpaid traffic tickets or court no-shows report crimes against them all the time and, yes, they are arrested all the time (not saying I support the victims of crimes in such situations being arrested, citizens or illegal aliens, but that is a different topic).
It's not my intention to come across as hostile. It is my intention to have a discussion based on honest beliefs about the topics, regardless of how popular those honest beliefs may/may not be (mine or others).
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