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Re: PAW
Posted by  PAW of FL on 4/6/06 8:33pm Msg #111700
The term material disclosures means the information that must be provided to satisfy the requirements in Sec. 226.6 with regard to the method of determining the finance charge and the balance upon which a finance charge will be imposed, the annual percentage rate, the amount or method of determining the amount of any membership or participation fee that may be imposed as part of the plan, and the payment information described in Sec. 226.5b(d)(5)(i) and (ii) that is required under Sec. 226.6(e)(2).

I think most people, including myself for a long time, considered all the document copies to be the "material" disclosure. However, the above paragraph defines what the material disclosures are and everything listed is included on the typical RTC document that we see all the time.

The question then becomes if the signers actually received their copies of the material disclosures (i.e. RTC document), even if the signers signed a statement stating they in fact did receive them. That is something that the courts would have to sort out, imo. If the RTC document was not provided at the time of signing the receipt, who would be responsible for the damages, if any, would also be up to the courts. Ultimately, I would assume the lender to be responsible, but could conceivably seek restitution from the title/settlement company and thus down to the signing agent. Since it's not a notarial act, the SOS, Notary E&O and all that are discounted.

My point was that only the RTC delivery is what starts the rescission clock. All the other docs are collateral to Reg. Z.

This is certainly an interesting thread, and I don't know if anyone knows of any cases where the deliverance of the RTC was questioned in court and what the outcome was.
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 Borrowers copies. I have a Chicago Title (in NV) who sent - SignerCA on 4/6/06 3:26pm
 Re: Borrowers copies. I have a Chicago Title (in NV) who sent - Anonymous from 71.34.136.126 on 4/6/06 3:44pm
 I hear you except... - SignerCA on 4/6/06 3:47pm
 Not to mention.... - PA_Notary_II on 4/6/06 3:48pm
 Re: Not to mention.... - Anonymous from 71.34.136.126 on 4/6/06 3:53pm
 Re: Not to mention.... - PA_Notary_II on 4/6/06 3:58pm
 Re: Not to mention.... -  PAW on 4/6/06 4:09pm
 PAW - Paul Rametta on 4/6/06 4:41pm
 Paul... - eXpedN_TX on 4/6/06 4:48pm
 eXpedN_TX - PA_Notary_II on 4/6/06 5:14pm
 Re: eXpedN_TX - JUST MY SPIN...PA_NII -  BrendaTx on 4/6/06 6:23pm
 Re: PAW -  PAW on 4/6/06 8:33pm
 Copy suggestion... - eXpedN_TX on 4/6/06 4:42pm
 Good suggestion, thanks n/m - SignerCA on 4/6/06 4:48pm
 How I've handled it - Dorothy_MI on 4/6/06 4:56pm
 Great ideas guys, thanks again n/m - SignerCA on 4/6/06 5:01pm
 no copies = no sign - Anonymous from 71.34.136.126 on 4/6/06 5:51pm
 Re: no copies = no sign Anonymous/penny pinchers -  TitleGalCA on 4/6/06 10:05pm
 Re: no copies = no sign Anonymous/penny pinchers - Anonymous from 71.34.136.126 on 4/6/06 10:17pm
 Anon...(why anon, anyways) -  TitleGalCA on 4/6/06 10:34pm
 Re: How I've handled it - a great answer Dorothy n/m -  TitleGalCA on 4/6/06 10:07pm
 Here's the deal with TC's and copies. -  TitleGalCA on 4/6/06 9:56pm
 Re: Here's the deal with TC's and copies. - Ah Ha!! TLEGAL: -  BrendaTx on 4/6/06 10:52pm
 Aha back.... -  TitleGalCA on 4/6/06 11:05pm
 Re: Aha back....Does cheese on a bait hook work? -  BrendaTx on 4/6/06 11:08pm



 
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