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Re: Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per
Posted by  Yoli/CA of CA on 4/11/23 10:47am Msg #645116
Yes, Heather, that may have been true in 2014. Things change.

Looking at the 2023 California Notary Handbook, I noticed the following Note after the verbiage for Acknowledgment, Jurat and Certificate for Proof of Execution by a Subscribing Witness:

"Note: California notarial law does not provide a provision requiring a California notary public
to cross out, or not cross out, pronouns such as he/she/they, on a notarial certificate. An
acknowledgment cannot be affixed to a document mailed or otherwise delivered to a notary
public whereby the signer did not personally appear before the notary public, even if the signer
is known by the notary public. Also, a notary public seal and signature cannot be affixed to a
document without the correct notarial wording." -- (acknowledgment is replaced by Jurat when appropriate)

To answer ananotary's question ... I haven't been faced with that situation yet. If and when it happens, I believe I would ask the signer what his/her preference is, go by that and make a notation in my journal. If the signer claims to be non-binary, I would not touch those pronouns and make a notation in my journal. I know it's easier and less time consuming to not strike out/circle/underline, etc. However, as has been stated (by, I believe, Janet) this is our little contribution to deter fraud.

jmo
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 Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 - Desiree Calolahan on 4/5/23 3:23pm
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 - VT_Syrup on 4/5/23 8:44pm
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 - VT_Syrup on 4/5/23 8:57pm
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  Expeditor on 4/7/23 1:09am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 - DaveCA/CA on 4/5/23 11:26pm
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  Cheryl Elliott on 4/6/23 7:23am
 Wrong form number, DS3053 not DS3503 - VT_Syrup on 4/6/23 7:30am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  Yoli/CA on 4/6/23 8:55am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 - Desiree Calolahan on 4/6/23 11:58am
 Did you read what Yoli took her valuable time to write? - Linda_H/FL on 4/6/23 1:10pm
 Re: Did you read what Yoli took her valuable time to write? - Desiree Calolahan on 4/6/23 5:29pm
 Re: Did you read what Yoli took her valuable time to write? - Clem/CA on 4/6/23 9:30pm
 Re: Did you read what Yoli took her valuable time to write? -  JanetK_CA on 4/7/23 3:10am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  Expeditor on 4/7/23 1:20am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  JanetK_CA on 4/7/23 3:16am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  Yoli/CA on 4/7/23 11:22am
 Re: Proof of Execution by Subscribing Witness for form DS3503 -  Expeditor on 4/7/23 2:54pm
 Thanks, Yoli! I stand corrected - should have READ the form! -  JanetK_CA on 4/7/23 4:23pm
 Re:New era! New gender translations! More diverse. n/m - HeatherR/CA on 4/7/23 9:27pm
 I have not crossed out any pronouns in my certs for - ananotary on 4/9/23 9:47pm
 Re: I have not crossed out any pronouns in my certs for -  Cheryl Elliott on 4/10/23 8:40am
 In our politically correct society of today, they don't dare - Linda_H/FL on 4/10/23 10:17am
 Re: I have not crossed out any pronouns in my certs for -  Yoli/CA on 4/10/23 12:09pm
 Re: I have not crossed out any pronouns in my certs for - ananotary on 4/10/23 12:27pm
 Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per - HeatherR/CA on 4/10/23 9:06pm
 Re: Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per -  Yoli/CA on 4/11/23 10:47am
 Re: Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per - ananotary on 4/11/23 11:41am
 Re: Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per -  JanetK_CA on 4/11/23 4:59pm
 Re: Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per - ananotary on 4/12/23 12:38pm
 Re: Re:Not crossed out any pronouns in certs for years as per -  JanetK_CA on 4/12/23 2:57pm
 Re: ana Had a neighbor whose son Frankie was a beautiful - HeatherR/CA on 4/12/23 12:30pm



 
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